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I took the survey and I didn’t like how they occasionally put all shitty features in a group and I had to pick one I wanted and then followed it with all good stuff in a group and I had to say I didn’t want one.
Things I want from Firefox/Mozilla, in no particular order:
- Just hire the uBlock Origin guy, Chrome doesn’t want him
- Dissolve the Mozilla Corporation, start a Patreon or whatever
- Foxkeh plushie
I am willing to compromise on the “unreasonable” ones 🦊
This is one of the weirder surveys I’ve ever taken, I hope they know what they’re doing.
They have lot there minds just like the entire tech industry
I hope like hell the sets of questions were randomized, because if they weren’t, they were tweaked by the surveyors beforehand to try and force a particular result.
Like the AI question was paired with some incredibly crappy options like “A browser that runs 2x slower than your current browser”. Obviously they want you to click that option as least wanted and leave the AI development alone (if that wasn’t a randomized grouping).
Similarly, it looked like they were trying to decide which feature to sacrifice in support of AI dev in later questions, because all 3 would be things I enjoy much more than AI, but I have to rate one as least wanted.
It was randomised for me because the 2x slower option didn’t appear with any AI questions for me
My 2x slower was paired with the 2x faster 🤣 guess which one I chose?
They were randomized.
For me ‘2x slower’ was not paired with any AI.This survey is very confusing
My conference in Mozilla is now almost zero
Bring back PWA!!
Sadly, they’re probably thinking mobile.
PWAs were a feature I marked “want least”. I don’t like a cluttered home screen, I’d much rather just use bookmarks.
The reason I mention PWA for desktop is very different from mobile, but for either, a PWA can live anywhere, it’s just a menu less browser with the site’s icon vs the firefox one. Handy for sites with no apps that you want to be able to task switch independently for. They dont have to be on a home screen or desktop.
Granted, the wording of the question would make one think so.
Yeah, some of these questions made more sense for mobile than desktop. For example, I want to split tabs on desktop, but I don’t on mobile. Likewise, I don’t really care about PWAs on mobile (there’s usually an app with a better experience), but I do care on desktop because that isn’t a thing on my system (Linux).
I think it would’ve been better had they broken them into groups for mobile and desktop.
Desktop PWAs are must easy as you can just create a shortcut
Nope. A PWA gives you a browser window with no menu bars and the icon of the age vs the browser. It’s treated as a separate entity in your start bar for task switching.
Many of us still use Chromium for that one feature, while using Firefox for everything else.
You can do that with command line arguments
Not with FF. Well, not without massive CSS app customization and separate profiles which is not officially supported.
Yes you can. Try running Firefox --help
Don’t PWAs already exist and work on mobile? I think they’d work on desktop PWAs again then
The survey is broken on Firefox for Android. The first set of most wanted and least wanted statements doesn’t let me set an answer for all 3. As soon as I set an answer for the 3rd statement it clears the answer for my first statement.
Of each set of 3, you can only have one marked as most wanted and one marked as least wanted. You will leave one statement blank.
You Should reach out to them and let them know of this glitch.
That’s working as intended. The survey won’t accept you wanting two things most or least. You can pick one you want most, one you want least, and the unselected option is the one you have the weakest opinion on.
That isn’t a break. They are forcing you rank them by most, least, and between.
I don’t think you understood the assignment friend.
What country do you live in: Germany, United States, Brazil, other
What? Weird survey options.
Someone being funny? BUG
could just be the countries with the most users or where they’ve seen a recent trend, up or down, in local market share.
Very weird, because it’s not sorted alphabetically. That means there is a bias in the sorting, because the first option is default and the best option for most users.
They are sorted at random for each visitor.
Oh I meant this as a joke, to place Germany as the best answer.^^ But regardless, good to know its random. Probably doesn’t even matter.
𝔅𝔦𝔱𝔱𝔢 𝔣𝔬𝔯𝔪𝔲𝔩𝔦𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔫 𝔖𝔦𝔢 ℑ𝔥𝔯𝔢 𝔎𝔯𝔦𝔱𝔦𝔨 𝔞𝔫 𝔡𝔢𝔯 𝔅𝔲𝔫𝔡𝔢𝔰𝔯𝔢𝔭𝔲𝔟𝔩𝔦𝔨 𝔇𝔢𝔲𝔱𝔰𝔠𝔥𝔩𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔭𝔯ä𝔷𝔦𝔰𝔢 𝔲𝔫𝔡 𝔨𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔲𝔨𝔱𝔦𝔳. 𝔄𝔫𝔡𝔢𝔯𝔫𝔣𝔞𝔩𝔩𝔰 𝔪ü𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫 𝔴𝔦𝔯 𝔖𝔦𝔢 𝔞𝔲𝔣 𝔢𝔦𝔫𝔢 𝔏𝔦𝔰𝔱𝔢 𝔰𝔢𝔱𝔷𝔢𝔫. 𝔉𝔞𝔵 𝔦𝔰𝔱 𝔴𝔞𝔯𝔪 𝔲𝔫𝔡 𝔟𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔦𝔢𝔟𝔰𝔟𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔱, 𝔜𝔞𝔫𝔨𝔢𝔢.
I didn’t see that question, but all 3 of those countries seem to rank pretty high on the country demographics for FOSS that I’ve seen (as in when individual FOSS projects do demographics surveys of their users)
Data retention would be my guess.
Which of the following attributes would you most want your new browser to have, and which would you want least?
Twice as slow as your current browser
Is that a joke?
It’s an Inferred importance method, as other users have commented it is likely that there are some calibration metrics in there. MaxDiff is the name of the approach if you want to check out more.
Control question probably, to check if you actually read the questions.
Makes sense. What about those who click that option as a joke? Maybe discount all other replies from that person because of that too?
I mean, fair?
Or what if they don’t click it by joke, but because they actually prefer a 2x slower browser over such a feature?
I forgot those exist and interpreted it as “Would you sacrifice performance for one of these features?”
Am I stupid?
Mozilla might be insane
I also thought it was a feature vs performance question. How can it be used as a control question?
By overestimating users’ intelligence… classic blunder, really. 🧐
I jest, I’ve no idea.
lol, yeah. 👍
I was doing a political poll just the other day and the third or fourth question was a color question like: “Which of the following is associated most with a ripe banana?”
Eh, how ripe are we talking?
For me that was together with
A privacy-respecting AI assistant that makes your browser smarter by learning how you use it
So I don’t really care how slow the browser is, as long as it doesn’t have an AI “assistant” that is monitoring my browser usage
I wouldn’t mind an AI assistant, as long as it’s fully local.
But why? If you want that, you can just have it outside of your browser. Or maybe get an extension that works with an AI assistant on your machine.
I honestly don’t care either way about an AI assistant. I don’t intend to use it, so I’d much rather their efforts be spent elsewhere.
Why would you want that in a browser? We have LLMs you can run local.
Can you let me have my own preferences? Am I allowed?
Not at the cost of my experience. It should be a optional feature if anything
Yup, I stuck that as “least want.” I already marked “2x faster performance” as “most want” on another question, so hopefully it all shakes out in the end.
You clearly missed the point about “privacy respecting.” It will only share data with Meta, Google and the US government.
Oh, what a deal…
Wait, I swear mine said twice as fast. Well I guess I got filtered then. Lol
There were both
I had both.
You folks are really exaggerating. How is this survey weird? The random questions in groups of 3 make it easy to compare 3 features instead of rating 60 different features by most wanted to least wanted. In aggregate from thousands of replies, they can sort all answers.
I feel like most of these people were way over analyzing the questions. No reason to look for in depth meaning of possible answers, just answer them and take them at face value.
It’s the “most wanted” language. I don’t blame common folks associating “most wanted” with “I want this!” when in fact they don’t mean it.
But the language is clear. From these 3 features, choose the one you want the most and the one you want the least 🤔
The language is not clear.
" As a vegetarian, which of these three options you want the least and which you want the most? You MUST choose to continue:
- Chicken sandwich.
- A kick in the balls.
- Pork sandwich.
"
You are saying that a reasonable person (vegetarian in this case, and disclaimer: I am not vegetarian) would say “well, I want a kick in the balls the least, so I’ll choose that. Now, fuck, I HATE chicken sandwiches and I HATE pork sandwiches. They both make me puke. But if I have to choose, I guess I’ll go for the chicken sandwich. Hey pollster, I want the chicken sandwich the most.” And the pollster writes “Chester wants the chicken sandwich the most.” Yeah, very clear.
That’s the typical “if you were in a deserted island” scenario that vegetarians and vegans are very familiar with. Given those 3 options:
1 > 2 > 3
That’s already suggestive. What if you want none of them, and strongly so?
If you hate or love them all equally, I guess a random score is fine.
The person evaluating the poll will take away “person likes option 1 most” not “person absolutely wants none of these in their browser, ever”. That’s the issue. You should not phrase questions in a way that assumes parts of the answer, at least not if you want useful results.
A better way would have been to let us rate features 0 to 10 and just accept if people thought their feature ideas are all shit.
It’s not a better way to rate from 0 to 10. It takes way more effort from the user and leads to more people dropping out. And in the end, the result is the same in aggregate. If your opinion is popular, more people will vote like you because the sets of 3 are random. In a survey of thousands, individual opinions don’t matter. No one is going to evaluate the answers one by one.
It takes way more effort from the user and leads to more people dropping out.
Then make it 0 to 3 or 0 to 1 for all I care. You missed the point, which is: If I want or don’t want feature A doesn’t influence if I want or don’t want feature B, and linking the two distorts the results of the poll.
in the end, the result is the same in Aggregate.
Not if you include the human factor of the decision maker, who can twist “wanted less” into “still wanted a bit” as a justification if they want a certain feature for different reasons than user benefit (like, say, a “privacy friendly” but indeed not at all privacy friendly mechanism to give data to add networks). That doesn’t fly with “0 points”.
They could’ve just said “Rank the features from one to three accordibg to how much you like it”. This seems unneccessarily more confusing. It isn’t all that cobfusing, but it is an odd way to formulate the question.
@neme loaded questions are loaded.
The “Want most” to “Want least” scale is loaded AF.
Where is the option for “I don’t want any of these things”?
Edit: Yeah, fuck that. That survey is bullshit. I stopped bothering to give answers due to the multi-choice questions seeming like a way for Mozilla to have a wank about itself.
This is fairly standard survey design, I believe. They’re not looking to know which features are wanted in general; they want to know their relative popularity. The sets you’re presented are randomised (i.e. we don’t all get to see the same sets), which allows them to get a ranked list of lots of potential features, while only having to run ten survey questions per participant.
If you get a set with three features that everyone likes or dislikes at about the same level, then it doesn’t really matter want you answer: they’ll all end up at the top or bottom of the list, respectively. Because each of those options also get presented as part of different sets to different users, where different answers can win out.
Why not just get one big list with like 4 answers:
- really want
- want
- meh
- don’t want
How is that worse than getting like 10 screens of relative answers?
Because you’ll end up with ten features that all have overwhelmingly “really want” and “want” answers, and then you still don’t know which of those ten to work on first.
Really? I’d honestly split them about evenly, maybe even more toward the “don’t want” end of the spectrum.
Sorry, I wasn’t talking about your answers specifically, but about aggregate results. (Also note that I think you might not get presented with all possible features when taking a single survey.)
The point is not to find the features that people would like, but the features that people would like most.
Additionally, this allows you to find a few features that have particularly high value for a subset of users, even though on average they’re not that interesting. (I think Multi-Account Containers are a good example of that: too much of a hassle for many, but for some people, like me, a reason to never switch away from Firefox.)
It doesn’t seem randomized based on what I have seen
I hope my response will get thrown out because I prefer a slower browser over built-in AI based personalization.
You’re bang on. It’s called MaxDiff. I use it frequently in my line of work to prioritise product or service messaging with panel data. It’s better in some cases to use Inferred preference rather than stated, but generally good to keep the options comparable in “size” of offer.
I would never interpret a MaxDiff model low end result as “wow, 5% of people want slower browsers.” Instead I’m focusing on the top cluster. As with any model, they’re only ever so accurate. Don’t read into the questions too much.
@Vincent couldn’t finish the survey purely because of the questions suggesting that I should “want” something.
Perhaps if they asked the question differently, they’d have gotten a completed survey from me.
I can’t answer loaded questions.
The samples they get are meaningless if only people who complete the survey are counted.
The fact that I couldn’t select none of them and move forward, meant something: Jerk Mozilla off, or don’t.
I chose not to, and I am a Mozilla user!
I’m half-way through the survey right now; and rather than continuing, just stalling because I don’t want to rank another set of three options that I don’t care about. Some of the choices already given were like “well, I guess I’ll pick the feature that I’ve at least thought about using once…” but now it’s just a list of 3 things that I don’t want whatsoever. I’m trying to give useful feedback, but I feel like I’m really just giving noise.
@blind3rdeye it’s a load of crap, isn’t it?
The statisticians may disagree, but they fail to understand that forcing “want” into the situation is not a true reflection of what people care about.
If they had just tweaked that one word, it wouldn’t be as much of a steaming pile of turds that it is.
It’s almost like they want people to not finish the survey, so they can have a warped sample.
The problem with this design is, if people do not care, then they will give random answers, if they don’t have the option to not care. Also this would be important information for Mozilla too, if many people do not care about a specific question. So I feel like they should have done that. But, who am I…
Presumably if people don’t care, they don’t fill in the survey. But as an extra failsafe, they’ve also included the feature “twice as slow as your current browser”. If you rank that high, then your result can probably be discarded.
But yeah, this design has worked well for many other surveys, so presumably it’ll work well for this one. They’re the experts :)
Presumably if people don’t care, they don’t fill in the survey.
That’s not what I said. People care about the survey and they do a favor to Mozilla with it. And if a question does not have the answer they want to give, then it becomes a problem. It’s a different scenario than what you were saying.
But yeah, this design has worked well for many other surveys, so presumably it’ll work well for this one. They’re the experts :)
With that attitude and without acknowledging a problem, it won’t get better. If they were the experts, then they wouldn’t need a survey. But its easy to discredit any credit with that dumb argument.
Any uncertainty would be filtered out by the scale of people answering
I don’t know if the survey questions are loaded, but it feels like they could easily be misinterpreted.
For example, somebody might rank the “organize toolbar buttons and AI chatbots” even if they hate AI’s snake oil, and now Mozilla has a data point where they can say “Some of our respondents said they want AI as much as side tabs!”
This seems especially sketchy when the side tab idea came directly from a vocal portion of Mozilla users, while the decision to follow the AI chatbot trend was decided by the same management that overpays their CEO every year.
When looking for a new web browser, which feature would you prefer most and which would you prefer least?
- A color palette that matches Danny DeVito’s armpit hair.
- Play the theme to Annie at startup.
- Take up all computer resources.
I don’t want any of those. Can’t we just have a browser that filters all of the popups, junk and advertising?
Nope. You can’t progress through the survey without picking one thing you really don’t want and at least one of two things you couldn’t give a shit less about.
This one was kinda oof
Oh. I had different sets. I had all 3 options but not against each other. So it seems they’re randomized.
Edit: hadn’t read the other replies. People have already figured that out, it seems.
They needed to have something that might be less appealing than an AI assistant
You’d rather have yours twice as slow than a feature you could probably disable? Weird blind hate ngl
I think that’s a good way of measuring “bullshit” in tge surver. The only problem is that you get just one of these questionnaires and a bunch of other questions for the entire survey
I dont want any AI built into my browser. The speed would not be that noticeable anyway as it is quite fast rn.
PWA ffs
When I got to the second set of most wanted/least wanted I gave up. Maybe that was the intent behind the design of the survey.
Why?..
Bizarre survey yeah but also why is there a mandatory exact age question at the end? Isn’t it normal to be able to opt out of demographic questions for surveys? It also lets us say we’d prefer not to say our gender but not our exact year of birth?
How much AI do you want in your browser:
( ) None
( ) Zero
( ) I want my browser to automatically close any page that mentions AI
More like
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2x slower browser
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AI
that question seemed directly made by some software dev that shares my opinion lol
i picked 2x slower browser over ai because at least if it is gonna be slower im not gonna be harassed by some amalgamation of every incel shitpost on the Internet
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hi we’re the marketing team and we already decided what we want to do, and we can make up whatever data you want to see for us to justify it!
Which of these options do you prefer:
( ) having an AI assistant integrated into the browser
( ) getting kicked in the balls by elon musk
A genuinely tough decision
i guess daddy musk is coming to make my dreams come true
Well, getting kicked in the balls is a one-time affair, and I’m done having kids anyway, so I’d go with that.
