Got greeted with this message today. I’ve been playing Apex on linux for more than a year. Not sure if this could be related? Is this just me?
I’ve contested the ban and I’m currently waiting for a response from ea support.
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Fuck this company.
They’ve been awful for many, many years at this point. I’ve no idea why people keep giving them money and expecting them to not be awful.
@helios@social.ggbox.fr @griefreeze@lemmy.world, a Respawn employee responded on reddit and wants a list of user IDs/gamertags for those banned on linux:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/1fi77vs/comment/lnh13kj/?context=8
Yes, please send EA ID and info ASAP!
You’re the goat! Thanks for sharing. I dropped a comment to the respawn employee and a comment on the EA thread linked in the reddit post.
They banned you for a reason. I have yet to meet a cheater that admits it. They all deny it the last study done 57% of gamers are using some type of cheat.
Yeah ofc cheaters don’t admit it. That doesn’t mean anyone accused of cheating is a cheater.
That “study” you are quoting is a survey from irdeto, owner of denuvo. And while skimming it I can’t even find the claim that 57% are using cheats.
A study from irdeto? That seems like something totally reputable and not at all biased or with fudged information at all /s Yeah obviously not, this company is well known for lots of sleazy practices, as are a majority of DRM companies, it’s how they sell their products. The upshot is it means it’s very hard if not impossible to trust them when they create ““studies””.
Ever heard of EFT? Cause thats cheater central with probably close to 70% of gamers using cheats.
He didn’t get accused he was banned ffs! There is a big difference. Most games catch about 30% of the cheaters but those are the one caught, there are a ton of cheaters in EFT who use ESP but call out to their team mates who are not using ESP to make the kill. Instead of just getting gud!
Why would I open this post if I was actually cheating ? The whole point is that I got banned but never cheated. This is a false positive related to playing with proton.
These types of losers argue that anyone who was banned for any reason is a cheater, merely because they have a ban, and yes it’s a logical fallacy to argue that, it’s called circular logic. It’s a common tactic among trolls, and bad-faith actors.
Cheaters make appeal request all the time. I admin for some game servers and never seen a vpn cause a false positive. As a matter of fact most cheaters use vpns to try and play on servers that dont allow vac bans by purchased/stolen/newsteam accounts. Only you and god know the truth but Im going off experience.
That might be relevant if OP was talking about using Proton VPN, but they’re talking about Proton, the compatibility layer shipped with Steam for Linux.
There are a ton of documented cases where bans falsely identify Linux users as cheaters, and later many (most?) of those bans get overturned. It seems to come in waves (likely an anti-cheat update), and it’s annoying every time.
My solution is to just not play games with anti-cheat, because there’s no way I’m going back to Windows, and there’s also no way I’m going to play the ban/appeal game. My time is worth more than that.
That guy’s a classic case of a troll who doesn’t want to accept that they are wrong about their initial assumption and just keeps moving the goal posts hoping they win the argument eventually. They also really want to believe that OP is a bad person and will use anything they can to try and justify it, including logical fallacies and misrepresentation.
Look buddy, I know that using circular logic to try and presume and decide that someone is a cheater may fly on Steamcommunity and 4chan but it doesn’t fly here on Lemmy, so while such an argument might get people to nod their heads on Steamcommunity, it’s not going to work out here. The people here are technically savvy, and also privy to many of the deceptive and manipulative tactics used by people like you to foster ill will against other players who in reality didn’t do anything wrong.
You sound exactly like the people I ban…lol dindu nuffin! You have 0 proof he didn’t hack so please stfu! I know what community I joined…. Buddy!
How exactly does one prove a negative? Juggling fallacies isn’t a good look, my friend.
You defend cheaters blind you aint my friend. The only fallacy here is the OP was banned for no reason. Didu nuffin!
Lmao you can’t be real. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
You sound like most of the trolls I see on places like 4chan and kiwi who assume or make up awful shit about people to justify their behavior towards them. What’s more important is that you don’t have any proof OP is a bad-faith actor. You’re fostering ill-will of someone based on an assumption. Oh wait you’re going to say that you blieve that the “proof” is that other people do it so therefore OP did it? Yeah that’s called circular logic, you are making an assumption about the OP and then coming to the conclusion based on that assumption. We’ve seen trolls do this all the time, it’s a common tactic and it does indeed sometimes work on those who don’t recognize the fallacy, or those who are afraid of standing up, two things that are absolutely not the case here in this community, people do recognize the fallacy, and people here aren’t afraid to stand up against people who are fostering ill-will towards others without merit.
You dont even know this guy… yet you are so sure he is not cheating… lmfao
Proof = he was banned its the OP picture! You have 0 proof he did not cheat and you dont know him but here you are so sure he “dindu nuffin” wrong and Im a bad guy.
Proof he was banned isn’t proof he is a cheater, that’s the circular logic but I’m sure you know that already. I am definitely sure of one thing though, you are a troll, a bad-faith actor, or both, trying to foster ill-will towards an individual you do not know based on faulty logic, when in reality you couldn’t prove the claims you make against him, even if your life depended on it.
yet you are so sure he is not cheating… lmfao
You also are mischaracterizing and making bad-faith assumptions because people aren’t willing to take your lies and logical fallacies as “the truth”. The fact of the matter is, you cannot prove that OP cheated, all you can do is assume he did and use the fact he was banned as justification for it being true, drawing conclusion from the assumption without any evidence. That isn’t a real argument, that is you trying to phrase your own assumption based on nothing at all as if it were an indisputable fact. Which it clearly is not.
Look at where you are at “linux_gaming” proton is not a vpn, but a wine wrapper. I get warnings all the time from Apex’s anticheat “failing” havent been banned, but wouldnt suprise me it would cause a false positive.
Proton VPN is way more popular than Proton wine wrapper just saying!
proton is not a vpn, but a wine wrapper
Proton is a VPN, but yes, that’s not what was referenced here
I really love how various services nowadays will just ban you without providing any context why you were banned.
Probably half of the time I am banned I have no idea which rule I violated, which makes me more likely to violate it again, when I wait till I am unbanned or create another account.
At least when it comes to games, they likely don’t want to disclose to potential cheaters how they detected them.
It’s also a support burden to look into every case of automated bans.
Thay say it’s for security, but it’s to avoid accountability.
I did try to create a new account, but it’s really annoying because my original EA account is linked to my steam account, and cannot be unlinked. So I would need another steam account as well. Unless I can figure out a way to play without steam, which I’m not sure how to do because of… you guessed it, fucking anti-cheat.
Classic EA
Now you’ll say fuck this company. When they new game you like, you’ll be first in line to pre order the game. If you really want to fuck this company never ever buy from them only raise your sail in high seas.
I never spend money on in-game items, so technically I was already not buying from them. I just enjoyed playing this game with my friends is all.
A year and a half back I was sent an email from Apex saying I was banned for hacking. I hadn’t played apex for a year and my account hadn’t been logged into during that whole time, so if they’re false flagging players that don’t even have the game installed then who knows that the fuck they’re doing in their anti cheat. They actually reversed the ban when I contested it though.
Fuck this company.
You’re damn right.
I have them blocked on Steam. I don’t care what comes from them, it’s not worth it.
Same thing happened to me, unfortunate for us…
There a free cheats for apex on Linux that are undetected by their shitty anti cheat. These Linux still eventually get caught manually so the anti cheat team just sees a lot of Linux users cheat and innocent players get caught in the crossfire b/c of their incompetence.
free cheats for apex on Linux
You gotta br kidding me. These people have no idea what kind of disservice they do to Linux.
I think it’s more like they don’t care.
Tbh I know this isn’t helpful, but I recommend take the L and find better games to play. Errantly perma banning users shows a lack of consumer consideration and does not deserve further energy to fix. They fucked up, take your business elsewhere.
Again, I know it’s not helpful but I think worth considering. Companies some decades ago used to be user experience as the top goal, but that has gone to the sidelines for many companies, and I don’t think it’s good to normalize. Hence, boycott when it happens.
I’m sorry to say it is extremely popular (for some good reasons imo) and my friends are playing it. Besides, not a lot of competitive games even support linux to begin with. I was grateful that Apex did until now.
Did you pay for this game?
No it is free to play. Besides, since I don’t care much about skins and whatnot, I’ve never spent a dime on the game.
They probably just flagged you for not being in the normal environment. For all their bravado their detection is dogshit. I’ve had issues with them just flagging something over a VM and… flagging a batch file closing their launcher. I wish I was joking.
Nah, they are doing you a favor.
<< If this Linux guy is so smart to use that OS…it shouldn’t play this shitty game. >> -EA staff, actually doing something good for the planet
Why do they care what OS people use? Is it the anti-cheat software that needs Windows?
They don’t. I’ve been playing Apex on Linux for years now. Apex is doing ban waves for cheaters. OP likely did something that looked like or was cheating.
What he did was play on linux. You can have kernel level support for anti cheat on Linux so they look at that and see it as “suspicious” then ban.
Apex does not use kernel level anti cheat. It just uses normal easy anti cheat.
Are you aware that EAC is indeed a kernel level anticheat? Apex 100% does not use a user space anticheat, it is kernel level.
My response is getting downvoted. Even downvotes won’t give EAC kernel access on my computer 😂
From two years ago, for time context, regarding EAC in Linux:
No. It has zero kernel access, and that’s not even possible.
EAC has (and has had for years) a native Linux client. That native Linux client is userspace only and has zero kernel access. Before, it was only for native Linux games that had EAC, like War Thunder, 7 Days to Die, Rust (before they abandoned Linux), etc. Epic refused to allow the Linux native EAC to work with Windows EAC games through Wine/Proton. That changed last fall, when Epic made the announcement.
Now, EAC games that work in Wine/Proton use the LINUX NATIVE EAC client, which communicates with a Linux EAC binary that each game that enables support ships, alongside their Windows EAC binary. The Steam Proton EasyAntiCheat Runtime is also required. This runtime allows the NATIVE Linux EAC client (which again, is 100% userspace only and has no kernel level access) to communicate with the Windows userspace EAC binary, to allow for a less-secure but still better than nothing EAC functionality for Windows games running in Wine/Proton.
The exact same situation is true for BattlEye. BattlEye has had a native Linux client for years, but it was userspace only, and didn’t work with Wine/Proton games. Now it does, in the same way EAC does.
This is also why so many games are refusing to enable it. Because it’s inherently less secure against cheaters than the kernel-level EAC/BattlEye Windows implementation. Just read 343’s Destiny 2 comments from the past week and you’ll see that exact reasoning. And I (and others) said from the beginning when it was announced last fall that many games would in fact refuse to enable EAC/BE support because of the less secure nature and increased risk of cheaters. And I was right.
Like I said in my previous comment. I also play on Linux and have been for years since season 12. I have not been banned. I also know people who have been banned on Windows who supposedly didn’t cheat. Maybe they did something toxic in game. We can’t really know what actually happened.
Not sure on ApeLegs but they have increasingly been disabling linux “support” for the Battlefields because of their anti-cheat.
I don’t know how popular ApeLegs actually is. But for a lot of live games? Those are making MASSIVE bank and anything that can hurt the economy can kill the game. So a lot of studios actively just disable/block linux support because the added effort of making sure everything works in Proton is too big of a risk. Because nothing would increase Linux marketshare quite like free vdollars in Fortnite.
It really fucking sucks. But I find that many studios (like Digital Extremes) are really good about making it clear that even though they don’t officially support Linux, they are very much fans of Proton (and Warframe has had a lot of bugfixes specifically FOR Proton support). Whereas EA has spent the past few months systematically disabling Linux “support” for every game they develop.
I don’t know how popular ApeLegs actually is
13th7th most played game on Steam in the past 24 hours, and 13th at the moment https://steamdb.info/charts/
Yes, it’s invasive kernel-level anti-cheat common in competitive multiplayer games now, because cheaters will mod their system that much for the sake of getting around the anti-cheat. Annoying from all sides.
That, and despite many devs being Linux fans, there does seem to be a (false) perception that Linux is the OS of choice for cheaters.
EDIT: Just remember, can’t play a game on Linux? It’s ALWAYS either the DRM or anti-cheat. Either way, corporate BS that hinders honest paying customers more than the people it’s trying to stop.
Exactly. It’s insane how moronic EA or other publishers are that think “oh they’re on Linux they must be hacking/cheating our game.”
I would wager they have never touched Linux in their life.
Its probably the fact a significant amount of cheaters use linux, but the overall market of players use linux… so nuking all linux players is harmless to their bottom line.
This comment is full of win.
In the past I don’t think it was possible to even play on Linux because of the anti-cheat, but I think Proton worked out a way to emulate it. Maybe something to do with that if it’s not technically “official” support? It’s extra stupid if the emulated anti-cheat is working fine.
No. EAC and Battleye developed ways to explicitly support proton, which has to be explicitly enabked by the developer for the game to run.
EAC works of linux just fine, and the fact that Apex runs means Respawn deliberately allows it.
Even worse!
