• jg1i@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I program for a living.

    I can’t stand all the smart shit people talk about. I hate installing software updates. I hate having to download an app just to use some shitty hardware. I hate needing an internet connection to use something. I hate having to charge yet another device.

    I really hate software. I try to avoid it as much as possible.

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      9 days ago

      There’s an offshoot of smart device enthusiasts that insist everything is local and reproducible. But if you don’t like software, it only makes it worse to try to keep things self-hosted, not to mention the learning curve is much, much steeper.

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    10 days ago

    Personally I love the idea of a smart home only if its self hosted and running on fully open source software, also never put a gun near an unattended printer :3

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        Zwave is superior for not clogging up the 2.4GHz airspace, both are darling to use with hass. Wifi is a close third for usability but suffers from bogging local wifi/airspace without interoperability without a controller of some kind being online. Zigbee/Zwave both can function somewhat even with the local server offline

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      10 days ago

      Home assistant, as a central system (it basically let’s you wire anything into anything!). The smart switches etc should be esp8266 or esp32 based. You can then flash either tasmota or esphome to them.

      Since your server will likely be Linux based, it’s open source all the way to the bare metal, (or at elast as close as possible).

      My current system almost doesn’t notice if the Internet dies. Also, if you nuke critical components, in the worst case, it still defaults to dumb control behaviour (physical switches still work etc).

      I still know where the kill switches are however. I’ve also made sure it doesn’t have control of anything mobile, other than the robo vacs, and I’m fairly sure I could take them in a fight.

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        as close as possible [to fully open source to the metal]

        Last I checked the only fully open stuff is one manufacturer’s IBM power 9 workstation and several Chromebooks

        Is it better in embedded stuff? Last openWRT device I ran needed a closed binary for network

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        10 days ago

        I really need to get back into troubleshooting why it won’t work in my instance. Got into a habit of it but I got distracted by a crazy lady

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    Even if I wanted to smartify my home using open source and local servers. I wouldn’t even know what to make smart.

    Lights only ever need to be on when I am in the room, but every door has a switch that only requires my arm to lift a bit. So what is the point in powering electronics for that? Just wastes energy.

    Anything with a lock is a no-go anyway.

    I rarely close my curtains, and don’t see why they should do so automatically in the off chance of it happening.

    I don’t need to touch my thermostat when I am not at home.

    Can anyone tell me actual useful applications that aren’t just a gimmick?

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      By a curious turn of life, I have enough technical expertise in the right areas to be able to design the software and most of the hardware turn a lot of my home smart like that in a safe way were I’m fully in control of it all (no 3rd party involved) … and I can’t be arsed, for very much those reasons.

      I mean at one point when I was playing around with microcontrollers I was looking for ideas of things to do with some neat microcontrollers which are cheap and have built-in WiFi support and I just couldn’t find anything worth the trouble, for pretty much the kind of reasons you list.

      Sure, lots of things can be done which are “cool ideas”, just not stuff were the whole “remote controlled from my tablet” actually significantly reduces the effort in doing something without introducing new problems (i.e. it would be a whole lot of work to get my apartment door to automatically open when my face is detected outside and then the thing has a non-zero rate of failure even I I train the AI really well, so when it fails I would be stuck outside hence I would still need to carry a key around, so in the end it’s really just less hassle not do it and to keep opening the door with my key), plus often the problem is that once you add “remote control” to a device’s design you just make it consume a lot more power, so now it has to run from mains power rather than run from some batteries that will last for a year or so.

      The maximum home automation I ended up doing it is automated plant watering and that stuff has been designed without remote access exactly because it can run from 3xAAA batteries for a year even though it actually has to power a water pump which when it’s running does consume a fair bit of power (but it only runs when the soil on the vase is not humid enough, which is so seldom it averages out to very little power). Sure, it would be “cool” to read the humidity sensor from my tablet and activate watering remotely, but that doesn’t actually achieve the point of of automated plant watering - making sure my plants don’t die of thirst because I forgot to water them - whilst overall making the design worse because now it needs a lot more power and I don’t have a design anymore where I can just replace the batteries once a year or so.

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        9 days ago

        I have a similar background, and I actually am automating my home. However, what Google/Alexa tote as automation isn’t actually automation; I still would have to say something/press a button.

        I have a pretty healthy home assistant setup, with stuff like electrochromic film on my windows that will dim the windows if someone is sitting near them and the sun is at the right angle to be in their eyes because I hate when I have to hold my head in a position to keep the sun out of my eyes.

        I picked an extreme example, but I’ve also got things like reminders when my laundry or dishes are done (running off of a metered plug, so it just detects power spikes from the machines), presence detectors in rooms to automate lights on/off, and a whole slough of things that will happen when I click the play button on Plex (lights go out, curtains close, windows dim). I’ve got humidity sensors in the bathroom for starting/stopping the vent fan, I’ve got particulate/heat/humidity sensors for starting and stopping the hood vent in the kitchen.

        Obviously these things save a few seconds here and there but it is nice to not have to think about these things anymore.

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      The only thing I’d need to make smart is my box fan, because once I fall asleep it would be better to turn it off, but I like falling asleep with it on, and I can’t turn it off if I’m already asleep.

      So I could make that a smart device.

      But I got those outlet power adaptors with a mechanical switch timer that just turns the power off when the timer dial rotates. It’s got a 24 hour dial and multiple pins, so I could put my fan on a schedule if I wanted.

      Cost like $5, I’ve been using them since 1995. Easy to repair and replace.

      If it ain’t broke.

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      10 days ago

      If you have solar panels you can turn on appliances or compute intensive tasks if they produce power.

      If you have humidity problems, an alarm can remind you if aerating makes sense. If you additionally have a bad landlord you can prove you aerated three times per day and still mold did grow, so he has to fix something!

      If you have a home theatre one button can dim the lights, turn on the TV, and close the blinds.

      You can have your motion controlled floor lights only turn on red in the night.

      Small things which are in total useful.

      With HomeAssistant its easy to do without any cloud connection.

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      10 days ago

      I have soil moisture sensors to auto-water my…uhhh…garden seedlings.

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        9 days ago

        I just have my doorbell wired up to a taser. Anyone that actually wants into my house either has the doorcode or is going to break a window by default, so the only people that ring the damn thing are mormons that have ignored the “no soliciting” sign.

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      If the sun is up past 8pm && person home close the blinds could be a reasonable example. If water is flowing to the bathroom run fan for 30 minutes could also be reasonable. If motion near front door take photo of door and email/text it to you could be a rudimentary form of security or knowing a package arrived.

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      We only have two "smart* things: when we get up to pee at night, a motion sensor turns on a light in the living room. Much dimmer than those premade motion activated lights, so we don’t wake each other. Returning to bed and triggering the sensor again turns it off.

      And when it has been raining more than a certain threshold in the past 24h, the outlet into which the pump that feeds our drip irrigation is plugged turns off, and on again when it hasn’t been raining for a while. Saves lots of water, especially when we are on vacation. (The rest of that system is " dumb", though.)

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      9 days ago

      We turn on our vacuum robot after we leave because the kids are scared of the sound :0) but they eagerly help press the button on the phone to turn it on

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      9 days ago

      I could give you a bunch, but it would be missing the point: you should automate to fulfill a need. You don’t need automation so there’s no argument to make for it

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      Most rooms in my house each have at least a handful of different, indirect lighting solutions. I could pay an electrician to wire them all to a single mains switch, but then I would need them to come back whenever I want it changing. It would also be more complicated to have dimmers and set programs for different times of the day to to adjust the lighting to a number of presets.

      I could just have the one or two overhead lights that these rooms came with, but that’s just an unpleasant to look at experience to my eyes all of the overhead lights got replaced with ceiling fans that have no lighting that come on when the room is occupied and over a certain temp.

      You walk in the room, a bunch of lights and may be a fan come on at the right lighting for that time of the day, then they go off at a suitable period of time. I even have all my garden lighting coming on via motion despite some of it being a separate 12v system that’s battery and solar powered via a 12v zigabee multi channel relay.

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      Yup, my parents have Google Home and Alexa, and my brother has Alexa. And here I am, the only one in the family who works in tech with neither. In fact, I got a free Google Home and gave it away because I don’t want it anywhere near my home network.

      One of these days I’ll figure out how to DIY it, but until then, I just use my phone (GrapheneOS, so some protections there) to play music and look stuff up.

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        I like having something in the garage. It’s in a place where I only stay when I’m working on something and my hands are super dirty. It can be isolated to a vlan by itself.

        But if my hands are covered in oil. I like being able to yell at it to play music and not get one more thing dirty.

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          Makes sense. I’m also interested in getting something like it, I just don’t want anything by Google or Amazon, and I’ve been too lazy to go the DIY route.

          When I’m working in my garage, I’m usually listening to an audiobook, and all I need to do to pause is bump a button on the side with the back of my hand or something. Or sometimes I’ll listen to a playlist. But if I’m working on something in the garage, it’s usually not for very long (e.g. maybe an oil change, brake job, or headlights), so I’m usually in and out in 30 min to an hour. Some people love working in their garage though, I personally see it as a chore that I do to save some time and money.

      • RandomLegend [He/Him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        With a bit of work homeassistant can be a quite good voice assistant.

        You can either revive some old android device and use that, or get an ECHO M5 for ~13€ and hook that one up.

        You can even run some local Ollama AI and use that for the voice assistant nowadays. It’s quite useful and home assistant can be integrated into music / audiobooks aswell with something like Music Assistant 2.0

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        I got a free Google Home and gave it away

        To an enemy, I hope! Otherwise, you should’ve just thrown it out, or stripped it for parts or something.

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    That’s bullshit. No one really does keep a gun next to their printer to shoot it in an emergency, the notion is just ridicolus.

    What if the printer grabs the gun first? You need to keep it out of reach of the printer.

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      My printer sits on an activated trapdoor above a shark tank. I’ve spent so much on printers trying to learn all the normal noises. Also sharks, turns out ink in the tank is not great for them.

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        Really, you should upgrade to laser sharks. Toner is so much cheaper than bullshit price gouging inkjet ink, and I hear brother makes some great sharklasers that take generic toner…

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    My buddy is a tech worker with his entire house wired up. But it’s also all probably tied into his own personal server and whatnot, with nothing on any clouds.

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    I’m starting to get old.

    I can smart my house in a fully closed network and automate so much shit. But then I have to stay on top of it. I’m already at the point where it’s becoming a chore to catch up on the industry for new hardware for my rigs and I’ve done it so many times; it’s not fun anymore, it’s a job… I’m tired.

    Solace is found in my headphones and a fire pit. The day Steam becomes fuckery, I’m retiring from technology and fully absolving myself into disconnection.

    Hell of a time to be born, but fatigue.

    Edit: Ah, who amI kidding? I’m a career data analyst. I’ll be chasing digital dragons until I die

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    In more civilized countries, we keep a sledgehammer read to bash the printer with, rather than a gun.

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    Tech worker here and my whole house is smart. Using Home Assistant, zwave, zigbee and EspHome, tasmota devices. So it’s all offline, local, and homemade. Only have a few devices that are too complex or expensive to home make. For example radon detector, Bond bridge, ShieldTV.

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    Other tech workers: My house is dumb because I use all money for either a new server or fursuits.

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      I’m just curious how the person is using the printer, or why they have it. I haven’t had a printer in over a decade since I left college. I need to print something maybe once every other year, I go to the library.

      I know its a joke clearly, but what good is a printer if you don’t have anything to send a print job to it.

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        I bought a laser printer 7 years ago. It’s still plugged into my network and I use it about once every 6 months on average. My GF prints out papers for the kid to color on and whatnot.

        A proper printer isn’t bad. Even in the work place. Just don’t make a public printer out of a shared usb printer and shut off the computer…

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        I have this old & tiny b&w laser printer that someone gave me that is actually perfect for the 2 prints a year I need to do, by my calculation the toner it came with should last me roughly another 250 years.

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    My printer is on a separate network and traffic to and from it is controlled via pfSense. There isn’t a single “smart” device in my network.