You will be no better than the people you’ll fight against. I’ve seen it happen on every pro-men subreddit, and if this place isn’t aggressively moderated to dispel hopelessness, negativity, and prejudice, it’ll just turn into hate.
Incel, mens-rights activist, red-pill, black-pill, MGTOW, etc. don’t let the haters join otherwise this community will end up just like the aforementioned.
Egalitarian from a male perspective is what we should be, not pro-male (I say male because of sex and gender).
Be excellent to each other.
Does that mean that the men’s movement has to be misogynist?
Are you saying that I can’t despise contemporary feminism without also hating women? Because I reject that concept.
No. Your comment could lead one to believe that you were saying “if they can do it, why can’t we?”
Defining contemporary feminism by those who take the stage to say stuff like “stop mansplaining”, “men can’t be raped”, and “men should be paid less to reduce the gender pay gap”, would be like defining conservatives by those who call out to “shoot immigrants at the border”, “Arbeit macht frei”, and “you’re just a snowflake”.
Or defining the men’s rights movement by those who say “women are the problem”, “she’s just a plate”, “you’re such a soyboy”.
If that is the only lens we use to describe others, we will see enemies everywhere.
False equivalence, because the former are things definitely said and defended widely by feminists in positions of power. E.g. “men can’t be raped” is literally what Mary P. Koss said, who is behind the statistics published by the CDC and used by for example RAINN to completely dismiss the issue of men being raped by women.
Nobody serious within the men’s rights movements says those things. Again, false equivalence. And please don’t confuse TheRedPill with the men’s rights movement.
No, the men’s movement doesn’t have to be misogynist, and in essence it isn’t. Except for some bad apples.
The feminist movement also doesn’t have to be misandrist, but it has always been that. With some positive exceptions.
Just look at the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments, one of the founding documents of the movement, which blames men in general and demonizes them as tyrannical oppressors. The misandry starts right there.
In contrast, the men’s movement has always promoted equality.
I disagree and think that’s a biased view. Women are just human, like men, and fall prey to the same problem of “bad apples”. To date, I have only met one brainwashed feminist, a few engaged feminists, and way more passive feminists. The same applies to men. Online though… it’s very much the opposite.
That’s only the benefit of time. Back in 1848 things were very very different. There are probably very few movements started by the disenfranchised back then that could have even started in a civil manner.
Yes, most certainly. But I wasn’t talking about women. I was talking about an ideological movement. Don’t confuse women as a gender with feminism as an ideological movement. Feminists often pretend to speak for all women, but that’s not how this works.
No, not really. Feminism may have refined their theories and reworded their ideas, but they still blame men in general for society’s woes. It’s just misandry repackaged.
See for example this very even-handed article by Cathy Young: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/30/feminists-treat-men-badly-its-bad-for-feminism/