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- newzealand@lemmy.nz
- cross-posted to:
- newzealand@lemmy.nz
Gap between left and right blocks has opened up, but NZ first seems likely to make it to parliament, which could make coalition negotiations interesting.
Labour is the big loser, and they should be asking serious questions about their campaign. Most of the other parties are fairly stable, with departing Labour voters seemingly moving fairly evenly among the other major parties.
Unashamedly stolen from a reddit post from a year ago, not my list:
Definitely stuff to argue in here, but the rhetoric of “Labour has achieved nothing” is false. They have done plenty of good, it is just small incremental changes. Do I think they should have done more? Absolutely. Would I vote for them? The jury is still out. But please stop thinking they have achieved nothing “other than managing COVID”.
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There is a lot of things I would have liked to see Labour do. CGT is a big one, adjust tax brackets to inflation is another.
However, I haven’t seen Labour do anything that actively made the CoL crisis worse. Some of National’s policies will do exactly that.
Citation needed.
There’s so many things in there that Labour had nothing to do with, and many more that are incredibly unimpressive.
They did not build 150k houses, our building industry did.
Transmission gully, for example, was authorised and begun under national, things like minimum wage, RUC and excise duty cuts are very easy to do, and a bunch more are just handing out money for various reasons.
That list is the equivalent of seeing “power steering” listed as a feature on a car for sale, it’s kinda sad it’s considered a feature, and you know they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.
If Labour gets the blame for the cost of living crisis, which is a global issue, and the housing crisis, which stems from failures of multiple government’s, why can they not claim things that, while easy, happened under their watch?
That is always the case, though. People say they failed at their promise to build houses, but when it is pointed out how many were built you say “that wasn’t them”? You can’t have it both ways.
Transmission gully I agree with. The rest are small changes, but changes nonetheless. You (and others) claim they have done nothing, and this shows that isn’t true. You could argue they haven’t done enough, and you’d hey a resounding agreement from most, but you can’t argue they have done nothing.
Also, “just handing money out” is an incredibly naive take.
“This car has no features” “It has power steering, which is a feature” “That’s not good enough, every car has that”
Stop moving the goalposts.
I mean, if every car has it, it’s not a feature, is it?
The housing claim is especially dishonest, if they claim to have built X number of houses, you’d be expect them to be a large part of the process, either building the house as an organisation, or at the very least being the ones ordering and paying for the property. Even claiming Kiwibuild homes is a tenuous claim, as they’re built for a customer, and the GOVT is merely the guarantor.
Labour has no right to claim those houses as an achievement.
So what you mean then is “this card does not have anything above what we expect”. This is not the same as "it has no features.
Labour has not done as much as you expected. Sure, to this i agree. But to claim they have done nothing is simply false.
Either the government has no hand in the building, in which case you cannot blame them for “not building houses”, or the government does have a hand in building houses, in which case you cannot accuse them of not building homes.
You cannot have it both ways.
I’m genuinely baffled as to what your point is here.
Wow I didn’t think I needed to spell it out any more simpler than that. I guess I gave you too much credit.
You said Labour didn’t build houses like they said they would.
I pointed out how many were built under Labour.
You claim the government has nothing to do with building houses.
If a government has nothing to do with building houses, then they cannot be held responsible for “not building houses”.
If a government does have something to do with building houses, then the claim that they didn’t build houses is false.
So which is it?
Are you feeling OK?
If the government had nothing to do with the process of building houses, then they can absolutely be held responsible for not building houses.
You do understand those are different, right? Built under Labour isn’t the same thing as by Labour.
Oh I get it now, your whole argument is because they said “we will build” rather than something like “we will oversee the building of”. Fucking lol.
What a shit take. “The government LIED because it said it would build houses, but all of these houses were built by builders, not the government!”
Did you really expect “we will build” to mean they would physically build them? What, did you think the MPs would be out there hammering trusses together or something?
If you blame the government for things that happened under their watch, then you absolutely must credit them for things that happened under their watch.
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Nearly all of these things are just tweaks that can be achieved by signing some documents. The country has gone backwards under Labour and it will go backwards under National too. I’m going to wait for boomers to die off before I consider voting in another election. There’s no point in voting for parties that will protect landlords and stamp out legislation that will allow for new builds. Which is all of them.
They did this to protect themselves not to protect us.
I disagree that it has gone backwards because of Labour. They have not done enough, but they have done something. I hard agree National will head backwards.
Disagree.
I’d have preferred it if they’d just done nothing to be honest. By “doing something” but still changing nothing, it just gives them an excuse to nag for votes again, which they don’t deserve.
They didn’t “change nothing” though. They have changed many things for the better. See the list above. Even if you leave off stuff that’s marginal, there are still plenty of good positive changes that have been made whole Labour was in government.
Many of Nationals policies will have a negative impact on society. How many labour policies have harmed society?