There’s something extremely funny about the president of the US looking at what’s going on China and saying out loud, “Their economy is a ticking time bomb.” This is almost an onion news story.
Listen, Fat! The US economy is doing better than any economy has every done in history, Jack. I call it Bidenomics. Get with the program.
I’m disappointed, there’s no representation of him having interaction with supernatural beings.
Omfg you people really spam every China related thread on our site huh? Forcing us to endure seeing your annoying asses at every corner, is there no way to block every hexbear user?
why won’t you damn tankies let us lie about China??? STOP IT!! MODS!!!
Time for you to go make friends with the fascists and shitlibs who share your opinions I guess
Go in the real world kid. 99% of people of all politics will not like China.
You’re such a redditor
It’s also kinda hard to have 99% of people dislike China if 18% of the global population lives there and is very satisfied with their government, not even counting anyone in Russia, other parts of Asia and the Pacific, Central and South America, or Africa.
You’re really showing whose opinions you actually care about. A bunch of propagandized to the brim, comfortable Americans, Canadians, and Europeans
very satisfied with their government
https://www.csis.org/analysis/public-opinion-china-liberal-silent-majority
That’s ridiculous since the Chinese like China and we’re 18% of all humans.
Here’s an article about Americans getting salty that views on China in South America are largely positive as opposed to sub 50% approval rating in English speaking countries.
Here’s Voice of America saying the same thing about Africa and how Africans see China.
Your opinions on China is not only in the minority, it’s a waning minority. Those are western sources I used in case you wanted to cry propaganda.
CatholicSocialist’s criteria for who counts as people:
Nnnnnothin’ personnel, kid…
Go read about BRI infrastructure projects in Africa and Asia. The global south is generally very positive about Chinese politics because Chinese give them hospitals and roads and ports.
I wasn’t talking about people in countries that have been bribed.
lmao this is so dumb. Every campaign promise in every democracy is a bribe then?
No… because they never fulfill their promises.
Maybe the US should start “bribing” with infrastructure projects then, I thought they were all about their soft power or whatever
You know the US is upstanding because it won’t even bribe its own citizens by giving them anything that would improve their lives no matter how hard they vote. True democracy!
Hmmm
You live in the US, how are you not being bribed to think the way you do?
They do it for free! They don’t even get paid to spout US State Department propaganda lmao.
At least we get Xi-bucks.
In fairness the statement is consistent. The US government does it’s damndest to do nothing what so ever for the citizens of the us.
[laughs in IMF loans]
dirty browns bribed by the dirty yellows
Most POC do not like China either, it’s only a few countries.
Maybe the US should try bribing people instead of bombing them
The nefarious Chinese are tricking people into supporting them by checks notes improving their material conditions.
Thank God I live in America where I’ll never have to worry about the government doing that.
“I only want a government that doesn’t do good things for me!”
China
helped other counties improve the material conditions of their peoplebribed the dumb dark folk.
I think you’d be shocked to find out that most of the world thinks very highly of China and it’s accomplishments and foreign policy. Though you like meant only to refer to Americans, which is understandable given your lamentable biases.
In the real world 99% of people in US think about where their next meal is going to come from instead of perseverating about China the way you’re doing kid.
our site
lol this is the fediverse, this is not your space, this is everyone’s space.
NO, PRIVATIZE IT NOW, PRIVATIZE IT NOW
Well fuck you, you should get kicked out.
Why? Because he’s spitting facts? You really need to log off and have some fresh airs outside
our site
You’ve been here 3 days.
what do you mean, “you people”?
and that annoyance you feel is nothing compared to the capitalist propaganda you’ve been swimming in your whole life.
our site
sorry to break it to you, but the person who runs your instance might be more aligned with the hexbears than with you.
Disagreeing with you isn’t spam.
Spamming any thread we post about China is.
What makes it spam? We’re invited to lemmy.ml, it shows up on our homepage the same as it does yours (probably even higher because instances more likely to downvote or ignore political posts don’t link with us atm).
If you meant flooding, it’s not that either. We’re a big instance (1k users weekly) with a general interest in politics and a historical anti-lurking culture, so we’ll be disproportionately active in political threads compared to a general instance like lemmy.ml, just like programming.dev is in tech threads. Are we meant to just not share an opinion because too many other people in the same instance already posted their (different) opinion?
You can just make your own instance where only people with brains as smooth as bowling balls are allowed and defederate with the rest of us. I guarantee you that everyone will be much happier.
your own instance where only people with brains as smooth as bowling balls are allowed
Go back to Reddit with the other bazinga dipshits
lemmy user posts on lemmy
“why would hexbear do this?”
Same energy as calling any bad thing done by Americans as “like North Korea”
Will no one rid me of these meddlesome hexbears!?
That phrase does Critical damage VS Catholics
Have you considered turning the other cheek?
Have you considered gtfo?
Excuse me, I’m here to show my support for Comrade Joe
it just so happens to also be a China thread
p.s.
You can probably block entire instances using one of the 3pa
“you people”
“You people” as in an overwhelmingly White-American group of people that spends their free time defending a brutal regime.
Hey there it is!! “Brutal regime” describes things like the ongoing cultural genocide of indigenous peoples, which itself is a continuation of the brutal mass murder and subjugation of those peoples. A BR (brutal regime) does things like enforce debt against Haiti for having the audacity to free itself from slavery and using the debt to ensure the white financiers who bought those slaves don’t lose any money while simultaneously refusing to engage in any form of reparations. A BR separates children from their parents for an an unbroken multi-century program of violent oppression against non-whites. If you rank every country in the world by the most bombs dropped on it, there’s only one BR that is responsible for the top 3 most bombed countries in the history of the world.
But do go on about how those ebil Chinese are so compliant in approving their government for 15 years at a rate of 95% (just ask Harvard) despite that government being a “brutal regime”. Must be something in their culture, right?
We have to put up with you too, you realize.
I found a website that doesn’t have those loser Hexbears. Here let me show you.
Dude, take a break!
I mean I completely disagree with you, but this thread can’t be healthy for you. What purpose is it serving to get enraged here?
I’d say take a breather and if you dare: ask yourself how reliable your impression of China really is, maybe research some older claims that have been proven to be misrepresented or false, like this for example. Not saying you have to become a fan, but there seems to be a propaganda effort to prepare the public for a economic/military war with China. So more people need to be sceptical.
You seem to haven’t accepted it yet, but the capitalist class, through the means of communication they control, construct most impressions you have of foreign countries (without them being able to interject) and facts are negligable as they have been in the news-medias support of every US war effort in history as well.
I got a little carried away, but I meant it in good faith, you decided to wear a badge of socialism after all.
What you do is obviously up to you!
Just keep dropping this link on the hexbears whenever you can:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
They’re either clueless teenagers that only know the things they’ve learned from TikTok or working for whatever the Chinese equivalent of glavset is. Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
This is either a bit or a masochist lol, just straight up inviting the dogpile.
Yeah I get like 50 responses to my comments everyday… been reported as a bot multiple times. Given their tactics, my suspicion is the hexbear is a 50 cent army hive, but haven’t confirmed this yet. Could be just kids that spent too much time on TikTok that don’t know how terrible the PRC is. Or a mix of both. But likely just 50 cent army.
But meh, if it’s wasting more of their time than mine, we’re winning.
Are you winning son?
Sir please keep the good name of Mr. Cent out of your Liberal mouth. .50 Cent got shot 9 times and recovered to be both a great rapper and the protagonist of a really bad X-box shooter. You accomplishments pale in comparison with his career.
‘Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.’
I hope you’re having as much fun as we are!
I fucking wish Xi was paying me, marg bar amerika
But likely just 50 cent army.
Sorry, but I’m actually not allowed to get paid for my China posts because of a noncompete clause I signed from when George Soros hired me as a crisis actor. I’m not allowed to be a paid actor in any other conspiracy theories right now, so I’m just defending China pro-bono to keep my posting skills sharp so I can try to get on as a wumao once my contract is up.
reddit moment
Why? We all know that about 300 people, mostly pla soldiers and insurgents, were killed in fighting blocks away from the square, while all the students in the square evacuated peacefully after the pla issued a final ultimatum.
Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
looks down-thread
Oh no… they deployed… The Link!
The religious faith and certainty Liberals have in the significance of the Jun 4th incident is utterly bizarre.
“Here, take this pitcher of kool-aid. The bees tend to make themselves scarce if you pour it all over yourself”
oh no, that link appears to have broken my internet!
now my web browser can only take me to this page: https://newint.org/features/2021/12/07/feature-how-british-colonizers-caused-bengal-famine
Sure more past grievances from fascist hexbear. Yeah yeah the British were horrible colonizers. I can say that where I live.
But how about we discuss how you feel about the Tiananmen Square massacre. But of course you can’t because you’re afraid of the repercussions of discussing it even today, don’t you?
Tiananmen Square? That was thirty years ago, why are you bringing up past greivances like a fascist? Kind of sus to me dude
I do love how you keep playing to Tiananmen Square card like it’s all 5 pieces of Exodia against Hexbears (supposedly) and it repeatedly has no effect.
The times in your past where it’s worked, it may have been with teenagers that support China to be edgy.
We’re educated who understand China’s faults and side with China over US/UK/Can anyway. But you simply can’t comprehend people that think China’s positives outweight it’s negatives without them being paid 50 cents a post.
I feel sort of a warm, minty sensation. I really appreciate the students willingness to boldly confront the Deng government to voice their opposition to the imposition of liberal market economics, and I’m sympathetic to their position that social conservativism and a very restrictive public culture was not in line with communist practice. It also demonstrates the delicate balance of power between the party and the people.
You know they teach about it in China, right? You’re so far up your own ass you’re just telling stories about stories you’ve been told and none of them have anything to do with reality.
OOOH. A link to wikipedia. The forbidden knowledge!
It’s so scarey.
But on the other hand, the tanks didn’t even run over that guy (CW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6F2AqzdXuI&pp=ygUhdXMgcG9saWNlIHJ1bm5pbmcgb3ZlciBwcm90ZXN0b3Jz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4&t=18s https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L-pJTOzyEkI
Technically, Tank man ran over the Tank. Easy to see how people got that turned around.
The CPC has disbanded, hong kong is now a british colony again. All thanks to this post.
I hope you are happy with what you’ve done
Can I get a :debate-pervert: from a lemmygrad comrade?
Why would we make ourselves scarce when some one drops a link to the wikipedia article on Tiananmen Square?
Imagine thinking the most Redditor-ass reply of linking to Wikipedia of all places on a topic they are already familiar with is useful. Do you believe the Reddit myth about wumaos being shot whenever they see the phrase “Tiananmen Square Massacre” is true?
Oh no my kill-switch has been activated! Tell my family in the re-education camps I love them! /cyberpunk brain asplode noises
Here, I’ll post an article as well, hopefully nobody “makes themselves scarce” because of it: https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
Doesn’t look like posting that link did anything
this is one of the dumbest posts of all time. it should be in a museum
You really think none of us have read that article huh?
Do they make themselves scarce? You haven’t done your research then: https://hexbear.net/post/301934 (technically OP on Lemmygrad but it counters your premise still)
Damn you owned us we’ve never seen that article before you posted it lmao
At least on mobile apps you can block an entire instance, hopefully that’s a feature we’ll see on Lemmy itself one day.
Yeah yeah, I’ve heard that before. There’s a whole cottage industry of “experts” that have predicted the imminent collapse of China going back decades. Call me when it actually happens.
China’s economy is stacked like a house of cards and could come crumbling down due to some unforeseen global financial shock, but then again that sounds like most modern economies. I think people just pick on China because, instead of having a group of billionaires stack up the cards, the government does it themselves.
Even if that shock happens, China will still be in a better situation. Like, they actually manufacture stuff there, and the government builds infrastructure aggressively. That’s two massive benefits to economic security and health.
But what if all that high speed rail disappears, huh? Didn’t think about that, stupid tankie.
It’s a legitimate risk. Rail theft by the mole-people is up 12% in the last quarter.
Well, actually it’s because China’s roaring economic success is both deeply embarassing and existentially dangerous to international fascism and it is absolutely vital that they both discredit China and prevent their thoroughly indoctrinated population from learning anything about China at all costs.
Do you repeat something you heard there or can you in detail describe how the worlds greates manufacturing Hub is a economy build on Cards…
china believes in the heart of the cards
This is what China wanted their relationship with the US to be like but our ruling class is just too evil and shortsighted for that
The Chinese government stacks the cards though it actually has the capability to use some toothpicks to hold them in place, and will immediately rebuild it things start to fall apart.
To contrast, the US will flounder and pull their one “low interest rates” lever while having a political blowout over some sort of stimulus funding package that probably won’t pass.
If that’s the case then the US’s economy is a card dealer pointing a gun at everyone at the table
If you think China’s economy is a time bomb wait til you hear about what it means when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency around the world.
Looked up one of the videos shown in that video and saw one of them was actually bold enough to add an update…
The country that leads the world in mass shootings shouldn’t be labeling other countries as “ticking time bombs.”
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By my estimates, China has only 70 more years until complete and utter collapse!
Gordon Chang preparing to put himself into cryosleep.
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USA probably exploded an actual bomb somewhere while he said that.
Man leading country with the largest homeless population in the world says country which eliminated extreme poverty within its borders is about to collapse, of course this is true and should be taken seriously
Uhhhh China has almost 5x the homelessness as America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population
I love not accounting for population size! However, let’s see how the countries can be compared when we do:
Uhhhh China has 4x the population of the US
Uhhhh the US has more people in prison than China despite having 4x less people in the country
But 5 is bigger than 4
Why bring up prison, is this a general “which country is worse” discussion?
A lot of homeless people do end up in prison both for all of the anti-homeless laws in various cities. For some folks it may end up being a better option than just outright dying in the streets from lack of food, medicine (love how the richest nation can’t put our tax money into anything that actually helps all of us), and/or from the elements. So while your point of bringing up prison population is a valid one. It is still (in part) related to homeless population numbers, just not totally useful by itself.
That being said, I do think that China is actually putting much more effort into dealing with the problem. As bringing people out of poverty/homelessness is crucial to keeping support of the masses. When enough people are just tossed out and can’t get help. It will lead to dramatic and very widespread revolts and even civil wars. That is true for any nation, no matter what system is in place. Socialist nations were birthed by such widespread poverty for the many while the few hoarded the wealth and resources. It is kind of one of the main points Marx and other anti-capitalist theorists base their shit on.
Executed people aren’t homeless or imprisoned, either.
CHINA COLLAPSING ANY DAY NOW
3 DAYS!!!
My reliable sources tell me that China will collapse in
From my vantage China looks like it is in a stronger position
What vantage is that?
Seeing in my lifetime how China replaced the US in many segments here. 20 years ago, even our plugs/sockets were US-spec. Now I am talking to you from my home 5G powered by Huawei https://youtube.com/shorts/Bk7slfSLvvY?feature=share
The part where they have industry
Being a Winnie the Pooh simp?
“Ur simp”
Wow how do we meet this level of sophisticated discourse
As a Saudi I am more of an MBS simp, it is mandated by law. People in the west really do live in a “yellow scare”.
+100 FICO CREDIT SCORE.
THE INTEREST RATE ON YOUR LOAN FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES HAS BEEN LOWERED 0.00069%.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Lemmy World version of this post:
https://lemmy.world/post/302119292 comments pathetic
This is what defederating does to you.
Holy watered
lol
Hilarious to think there’s a struggle session in here pushing 600 comments and .world users have no idea about it
Happy in the echo chamber
The funny thing is, the bigger these threads get over on Hexbear federated instances, the more users from instances like .ca, .ee, or .ml show up complaining about the Hexbears. That stays small in proportion to the actual discussion in the thread, but eventually becomes large in proportion to the stunted version of the thread that .world sees. So despite being defederated with us, .world threads slowly fill up with spam from users complaining about “Hexbear brigaders” as it leaks in and piles up from discussions and dunkings outside of their federation network.
Living rent free in their heads 24/7
How is this still going!?
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The US needs to be #1 in the world and they’ll do anything to achieve that.
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Who would the US have bombed? Canada? Mexico?
The US didn’t have the logistics to project power globally like they can today. What exactly would you propose they drop a bomb on? Moscow?
People love to criticize famines in China and Russia as being mismanagement by government (and they are), but they’re missing the forest for the trees. Prior to the communist governments, famines were a common occurrence in China and Russia.
The Sichuan famine in 1936 killed 5 million. The famine in 1928 killed 6 million. The Chinese famine in 1906 killed 20 million. The Chinese famine in 1876 killed 10 million.
Yet, since the Great Leap Forward? China has not experienced a single famine. Similarly, the last famine in Russia was in 1947. People sit in their ivory towers where food can be imported from around the world and 40% of food is wasted and wonder why so many people died trying to get something so accessible. Meanwhile, places in Africa are still experiencing mass famine and nobody cares.
Nothing has really changed (even in 21st century)
What troubles?
Can you describe the troubles?
Are the troubles in the room with us?
They’re straight up gaslighting LMAO. This is an actual, recent headline from the wsj:
Reaching levels of copium not thought possible.
Except official data doesn’t look good? They haven’t gaslit shit, they’ve been reporting slowing growth, decreasing exports, and deflation.
WSJ literally wrote an article “this is what I think China will do and that’s why China bad”
What the fuck kind of journalism is that?
Official data looks good when you compare it with other large economies.
Vibes based economics
he’s probably referring to this https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/08/02/china-consumption-or-investment/
tldr chinas quarterly growth has slowed and liberal economists are claiming china’s miracle is over. private sector investment has shrank 0.2% for the first time since data collection in 2005 but investment by state firms has expanded 8.1% in the same period. there’s also a current global manufacturing recession. doesnt mean “its over” or whatever tf they’re saying but interesting to note.
I mean there will be a point when the Chinese middle class stops growing and the government will need to midwife a new economic model. A Communist Party is probably the only political organization currently in the world that can come up with an answer that isn’t slashing the social safety net and giving big handouts to corporations to keep profits up, though.
im not an expert in political economy, but if you read the article he goes into a lot of specific reasons why china is still in a great position in regards to the future, although it will take responsible leadership that pushes back against mainstream neoclassical economics.
Neoliberalism has been a failure for the actual population. It’s decoupled economic growth from improved quality of life. Meanwhile, social democracies in Europe are showing that other models are practical and viable.
Which European country isn’t pursuing neoliberal economics?
GDP Annual Growth Rate in European Union averaged 1.70 percent from 1996 until 2023
https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/gdp-annual-growth-rate
GDP Growth Rate in Euro Area averaged 0.37 percent from 1995 until 2023
Social Democracies in Europe are showing that you can keep people complacent as long as the oil and the african gold don’t run out. Whoopsie.
Must be forgetting about Finland, whoopsie.
You don’t think Finland benefits from the victimization of the global south?