• Astroturfed@lemmy.world
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      Not exactly what I said. That’s about “fake news” I don’t think news is fake. I just think it’s all horrible shallow click bait with very little decent investigative journalism being done anymore. The article might as well just be the headline now.

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        MAGA people think that the press just entirely manufactures things with no evidence whatsoever (while believing any complete horseshit they see online, of course, some of which actually is entirely fabricated). “Fake” is such a simplistic term.

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            Real journalism is dead. Those left beating the corpse only do it for money.

            I just think it’s all horrible shallow click bait with very little decent investigative journalism being done anymore.

            What you said is not as aggressively explicit as “The press is actively and willfully lying, stop listening to the press.” But it absolutely is “The press is corrputed by money to the point of being irrelevant, stop listening to the press.”

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          Jesus, thats quite the interpretation and sort of proving his point.

          Criticizing for profit media is seen by liberal voters as an attack on liberal democracy.

          You’re part of the issue here, and I gotta ask, why?

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            A free press is necessary for a healthy democracy. I imagine that’s why it was included in the First Amendment. People require information in order to make decisions about how government should operate, and who to elect to represent them. That information should, in large part, come from non-government sources. That doesn’t mean that journalists or media outlets are immune from criticism, but throwing out blanket statements denigrating all press is dangerous.

            And it is the responsibility of each citizen to be an active participant in the process of being informed - not just being a passive audience, having whatever just poured over them. Of course different media outlets are going to have different motivations and different agendas. That has been and will always be true. It’s our job to weigh what is presented and make a judgment for ourselves to what degree it’s truthful or makes correct conclusions.

            Perfect example: One of the people I watch for Trump criminal cases news and opinion is Glenn Kirschner. I am fully aware that he’s a bit “extra,” but I find that he presents facts about events accurately, and the conclusions he makes are generally well-founded. I don’t always agree fully with Kirschner’s editorializing and predictions, and I continue to pay attention to unfolding events to get a sense of his - and others’ - accuracy.

            Again, a free press is necessary for a healthy democracy, and a free press is able to act as a check on itself, so long as the People actively check it, too. What we are doing here with these posts and these comments - we are part of this free press. When we disagree (civilly, I hope), we and others end up better informed.

            You’re part of the issue here, and I gotta ask, why?

            What issue?

    • synae[he/him]@lemmy.sdf.org
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      Yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible for anyone else to call out failures in journalism.

      Fascists will lie about anything that helps them retain or gain power. The merit of their statements is not worth considering.

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      Russia uses the same term, “fake news”. Pretty sure that’s where the orange guy got it from.