Tor Browser is no longer flagged as “Malware” by Windows Defender
https://forum.torproject.org/t/torbrowser-12-5-6-no-longer-flagged-by-windows-defender/9522
what are people doing w there win PC and tor browser? u ain’t secure/private if ur on windows…anyway…🤷 *Linux gang
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Windows might not be the ideal privacy solution, but it’s often not something that people can reasonably change.
It takes work to relearn an operating system. People’s work applications may not function outside of windows. Virtualization and emulation are not perfect.
Well said. I use Linux on my main desktop PC and Windows on the laptop. I’m the “use the tool that works for you when you need it” type of guy. Windows may not be as private or as secure as Linux, but it sure does have its use cases. And like you said, a lot of people may not have the luxury of changing their os. Linux is not always ideal. For instance, the laptop I have windows on never worked well with Linux. It has always had problems because it has that hybrid Intel/Nvidia graphics. And that shit is an absolute nightmare on Linux. It works flawlessly on windows.
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I’m so glad yall found yet another “windows bad Linux good” avenue.
This one’s not really new. It’s essentially the basis of the entire FSF manifesto and the purpose behind the GPL in the first place. If you don’t have the source code to your tech, you have no real idea what’s happening to your information while you use it.
Adding a TOR layer on top of a black box OS might provide some privacy for your network traffic, but the system calls being called by the browser are inherently untrustworthy to begin with.
Or, to sum up “Proprietary untrustworthy, open source more trustworthy,” which still isn’t as pithy as your quip.
there is little difference between “open source but you need formal education to be able to dig through and understand the documentation and code” and closed source. open source is still better for ethical reasons but for 9/10 users, it’s not reasonable to check the source code and they are losing any potential “security” benefits that was provided.
You are correct for open source projects with only a few maintainers… But with a project as big as linux, there are SO many people with that “formal education” (which doesnt really even need to be formal) that the amount of eyes on the codebase DOES benefit the normies who dont look at it.
I 100% agree, I just think it’s dangerous rhetoric to push because you end up with normies that have been told “open source is more secure” and end up running any script they find on GitHub without having a clue how to audit what it’s actually doing. (this was me 5/6 years ago until I figured out what I was doing).
this is the same reason I find people claiming that Linux is more secure than windows dangerous. I can exfiltrate data from the average Linux install much easier than windows. you can harden Linux to a much greater degree but if you don’t know how or that you even need to, you are in a much worse position.
I disagree that you are inherently in a worse position simply because you dont know enough to take a peek at the code or harden things. I think that again, simply being such a massive project linux gives a trickle down effect to normal users. Even as a normie, you are safer on linux than on windows, full stop. As for github scripts, thats an entirely different subject because yes, open source CAN be dangerous still (just like proprietary can).
what makes you suggest you are safer on Linux?
Windows default are more secure than Linux my guy
You’re going to need to specify what Windows and what distro at least. But I would argue that most people’s idea of computer security would include privacy. Not that they get it, but if you asked someone if they feel Facebook posts are secure because others can’t edit them, I think you would get some head scratches and people saying they are available to the world.
Microsoft: Cool, now we know what communities care about Tor on our OS. Time to pass this info onto the alphabet groups.
Glad this got cleared up. Surprised there wasn’t a louder more public notice from the Tor group. Despite what people want, windows is a major platform with many tor users.
