So, I’m more conservative leaning (European wise) but everywhere I go - the communities are usually filled with so much hate. That I just avoid it.
Is there any place that I can go where there’s not so much based on hate but more on actual discussions and such?
Though, I have been told that - European wise, it is considered more leaning to left in eyes of US. So bit confused.
Note; please keep it civil.
EDIT: Thanks for the responses (even the hateful ones lol), I got the grasp of what I asked. I’ll look into the suggestions that were made.
EDIT 2: I LOVE how some of you are saying that conservatives are so hateful and yet here you are. Doing the exact same thing. Quite cute and ironic lol! That said if it makes you feel better to spew hate on Lemmy go ahead.
I always thought that the “left side” were open minded and friendly but seems I was wrong, at least here on Lemmy. I suppose, Lemmy become Reddit 2.0. In that way.
Since you were unwilling to be open or direct with your beliefs (a hallmark of conservatism), I did you the favor of looking through your comment history to try and find the disconnect. And I did.
You seem just as insufferable as other conservatives, just more sexist than racist, which is not an improvement.
At the end of the day, the right is about abusing people infavor of financial gains and controlling their lives. Whatever justification they apply to it is irrelevant. In every country all over the planet, they use different reasons but the political right is always about controlling people.
So you’re looking for a community without hate, but your only willing to look at abusive communities. You’re not going to find it. You need to ask yourself, why are you a conservative and why do you still want to be part of them?
So, I’m goin to assume you’re talking about the comments on the thing with soccer? I still stand with it. If that’s not it, uncertain what you’re pointing to. If it sexism to say “we do not know everything as viewer”, well yeah. We got different mindset to that.
Looking at abusiveness communities, such as? I just meant that, most places are filled with hateful stuff and I’m unable to find one that’s not like that.
I commented on someone else which might explain why, I’m more leaning to the right ( at least I think that’s explain it, if not let me know).
It wasn’t that you didn’t believe her, its your complete dismissal of everyone who disagreed with you as “making it personal”. You behave like a stereotypical conservative. You act as though you’re the only person who can see it clearly and objectively, when it’s pretty obvious from the outside that you can only imagine the situation from his perspective.
I’m referring to all conservative communities as abusive. You can’t find one that isn’t hateful because that’s what conservatives are.
If you wanted to lay out some of your beliefs I could tell you generally where you would align stateside, but you seem to not want to actually discuss what you believe.
It is sexism to make it out to be a “he said she said” situation when a man says it was okay for him to kiss a woman and she says it was something she did not want. You disregard her personal autonomy when you say that him claiming she wanted it is as valid as her stating she did not.
If I hit you in the face with my fist claiming you wanted it, should I get off the hook since as you deem “no one can tell whether you wanted me to do it or not”?
For anyone wondering the “soccer incident” refers to his bad take on Luis Rubiales kissing Jenni Hermoso without permission.
EDIT: Fix a typo
Well honestly, you know my stance on it and now I know yours. However, I do not want to reopen that discussion on here, this thread was meant for something else.
If you do however for some reason want to continue, do so on that certain thread.
And yeah, for* anyone wondering. Just scroll thru my comment history, you’ll get there.
Damn. Savage…
Please don’t play such behaviors off as if they’re exclusively exhibited by conservatives. There’s plenty of said behavior by those identifying as progressives as well.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions and behaviors. Cancelation happens both ways. Its occurrence or lack thereof can be influenced but ultimately not controlled by the subject person.
I’m glad we agree that win/win situations exist, that life isn’t a zero-sum game as George Carlin (tongue-in-cheek, I hope) suggests in “Free-Floating Hostility.”
Yeah, you don’t want to talk about the things your obviously wrong about, we know. You o ly want to hear happy voices telling you you’re right.
But you you aren’t
I don’t need to wonder. I hear “I’m a conservative” and I already know you’re a waste of oxygen and carbon. Literally rocks from the ground are more useful and productive to society at large.
This sort of black-and-white thinking is what I hate the most about internet politics.
Thats weird, participants like you are what I hate the most about them
Such a wonderful message, I very well thank you for your kind words. Kind stranger! Couldn’t help but respond to you because you wasted your energy on this very stranger!
Nonetheless, I did not expect anything else when making this thread. I already expected to have some upset strangers. Which is okay! Kind of got the grasp of what I asked anyway.
Still hope you have a good day though.
Not going to agree with the commenter above, but I want to point out that this happens a lot:
A person who holds views that are detrimental to others comes to a community of those people and cries “why, when I am not quite like other people who hold these views, but agree with them on the detrimental stuff about you, do you not accept me?”
The people in the community try repeatedly to explain why holding views that harm others is harmful and that the person asking may need to revaluate their own views.
The person then says they’re being attacked. Everything they predicted about this community is coming true! They feel like they’re being kicked out!
And they are! Because when they came to engage then didn’t change, let alone evaluate, any of their own views, the community rightly showed them back to the door until they are ready to actually listen and put themselves in someone else’s shoes.
I am sure you feel like you have been badly treated at this point. What you do with that now is up to you. I’ll say this: I have no hate for you, I would like nothing more than to give you some feedback that might help change how you view some things. I hope there is enough food for thought here for everyone.
Well put, friend!
Thank you for your respectful explanation.
I must point out, however, that those in the community the dissenter joins don’t necessarily change their views, either. If we’re going to hand out blame, then it’s a double-edged sword.
I think their point is, the communities you’re looking for sound like they’re already here.
Oh look, a conservative that doesn’t belive in consent.
What a surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10XKWAFFcE
Fair point. How about this:
Let’s compare the number of cases a conservative didn’t get consent vs the number of cases a non-consentual kiss brought someone back from clinical death 🙂
Oh look, a wokeist who thinks consent can be withdrawn retroactively.
What a surprise.
How fucking pathetic are you, did you just call him a “wokeist”? Is English not your native language?
English is indeed not my native language, but I don’t think there’s a standard term for people subscribing to the “woke” ideology.
Empathic?
Decent?
Not a piece of shit?
There’s plenty to choose from.
Youre right, there isnt . There is a standard term for people who are against it though, we call them trash.
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What is there to disagree with? Women talking about assault and harassment? Yes, let’s go back to the good old days when we all pretended rape was fine or didn’t happen…
I honestly do not care about upvotes, downvotes and such. On Lemmy, it means nothing. If it ever does, I will treat it like Reddit. Only go to places that I enjoy, never discuss certain topics.
If people insult or are hateful, I will just ignore them. No point in discussion with such people.
I really don’t understand the reason of such a bitter and disrespectful response to a politely posed question. Shouldn’t leftists be more tolerant than their right wing counterpart? Or maybe people are starting to be so ill-tempered just because they are systematically losing all elections in Europe and US?
I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.
Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.
I look for excuses to share this. I think you’ll like it.
That isn’t actually Popper. That is Marcuse.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse
That crappy cartoon gets shared a lot but it does not actually represent Popper’s views.
It is, however, A very accurate description of Marcuse’s views. It even looks like him!
Broken link man, no idea what you’re trying to share
Nuts. I’m sorry. It works for me, though, so I don’t know what to do. Maybe it pasted wrong. Try this: https://i.imgur.com/j2LnmH3.png
Imgur still says it doesn’t exist, might be my app
It’s there, I promise! I’ve linked to it before. Maybe their server is just being fussy.
If the left wants to be intolerant of a given group, that’s a fine, debatable position to have. In that case, however, it’s intellectually dishonest to refer to such a position as “tolerant.”
If “tolerance” tolerates intolerance, then who decides what is “tolerance” and “intolerance?”
Just admit who you don’t like and whose rights you want suppressed. Clearly the left has a problem with certain groups of people or they wouldn’t be beating up demonstrators of opposing ideals in an unprovoked manner.
I thought the US Democratic party was “far right”?
I don’t know if you’re trying to make a joke about something, but Republicans are far right, democrats are left of center.
I’m referencing the mantra that gets repeated a lot by Lemmy leftists that both parties in the USA are far right and Republicans are just slightly more far right.
Just slightly?
Ze only sing ve do not tolerate is intolerance!
Shocking that a multiple time Trump voter’s highest level of discourse is a South Park clip. I’d feel bad for your parents, but they’re probably just as dumb
Notice how he’s only posting clips from made up media as his “arguments”, not anything remotely factual.
I know there are no facts to back up any of his feelings, I didn’t expect him to have anything better to contribute
When you can’t argue the point, attack the man.
The tolerance paradox applies to a purely theoretical situation, not to modern society where people have constitutional rights. All radicalisms are equally flawed and, personally, I prefer to deal with the “originals” rather than with spoiled youngsters who are pathetically trying to emulate the “tough” adults.
Well, I am a gray haired Gen X-er and fuck conservative fearmongering evil exploitative shit. The radical left youths warm my heart.
That’s a lot of words to say you want fascists in society.
I don’t necessarily want fascists to be in society, but they should have a right to be there as long as they’re not actively hurting others.
Their ideology is based on hurting other people. How do you not get that? They cant exist peacefully.
If you’re ok with them being here, don’t be mad when I lump you in with them.
If they actively hurt other people, then they should obviously be punished. How does my comment imply otherwise?
Their core belief is that they are better and should have autonomy over other people, how does that NOT turn violent?
No,I don’t want them. But they are there, though…
You let burglers into your house just because they’re in your yard?
No, but if the police can’t do enough, I install an alarm and defend my personal space. I don’t want to arrest all potential thieves beforehand because they have “thievous” opinions. I don’t want to argue online, anyway: your nested comment (with a parent that has gone down the list due to pagination) made me found a bug in a Lemmy client that I’m developing so I am really grateful to you 😂 Thanks 🙏
I have no thanks for you. But I’m not surprised there are mistakes in your work as well as your logic
The issue with the tolerance paradox is it gives way to thuggery once those with the most power decide what their idea of “tolerance” will and will not actually tolerate. That’s why we have a Bill of Rights. Call it intolerant, but name something that actually tolerates more (not just “progressive” or anarchist vlaues).
Conservatives attempted to overthrow my country on 1/6/21. Why do they deserve respect after that? A reasonable, moral person would see that and choose to stop being conservative.
You mean that a few drunk people with guns are representative of a half of the country?
No, we mean your worthless-ass party. It was fun to watch a bunch of then surrender in Atlanta again though.
They are absolutely represtative of your party. They were led by your leader, your party wants them pardoned. You probably also believe some combination of them being both patriots AND a false flag.
You’re all idiots, and they represent you well.
What “my” party? I don’t live in the USA.
You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.
No, you don’t, but at that point you are no longer truly “tolerant.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The paradox of tolerance states,or destroyed by the intolerant.
It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.
In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.
You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies in this specific case. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.
Being polite is pretty meaningless when you advocate against victims of harassment and sexual assault, wouldnt you agree? So why are we giving him credit in politely looking for allies when his political ideology is based in bigotry?
Also, read his old comments. He “politely” condescends and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his stances. He “politely” tells them to not be emotional and just accept his view of things. Fuck him.
I don’t care if “it’s a good look”, I’m not trying to sugar coat truths for misogynists. What that party believed in the past is irrelevant, what they say and do now matters. It’s not a frustration with their change, its an unwillingness to respect them while they openly court fascism. Which, i think, is pretty damn reasonable.
You want to shame me for being rude to the right? I hope you’re used to be ignored. I’m not going to be a part of sowing division on the left, even when a conservative asks me to “politely”.
No, I’m not going to shame you. You’re right. It’s just that I set the bar VERY low when it comes to conservatives and their discussion methods.
I want to encourage civilized discourse, even if the views being expressed are highly problematic. I figure that the views themselves can’t be effectively addressed until the communication skills are ironed out. Discussion without an explosive tantrum is only a little bit of progress, but it is laying the groundwork for further progress. Baby steps.
Oh, and no, I hadn’t looked at their post history. Now I have. Yikes.
I have no intention of dignifying highly problematic views with civilized discourse.
I haven’t even been mean to him yet, all I called him was insufferable, which he is.
Fair. I certainly can’t blame you for being indignant over someone’s reprehensible opinions.
And I can admire your desire to want to better them
That’s a shame, because that’s how freedom of speech functions. It’s also a great way to show the world the higher road one chooses to walk when their opponents refuse.