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    Got bombarded with hate when I said a solution to Nazis isnt to kill Nazis lol the left are just as unhinged as the right. Most Americans are mentally ill because they can’t afford to see a therapist.

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      Yeah we should have debated them during barbarossa. We should have had a civil discussion about human rights in Auschwitz.

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        Yeah because we are living in a time of concentration camps… and not the most peaceful, least racist time period of history… get lost lol

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          The united states has the largest prisoner population in the world, wherein slave labor is legal and people are forced to work for pittances. The population of the US prisons is outsizedly black, latino and other minority groups. These work-camps have a high rate of death, as well as abuse.

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              Ah damn I didn’t know we were doing vibes-based facts, my bad. I feel as though the united states has the largest prisoner population in the world, wherein slave labor is legal and people are forced to work for pittances. The population of the US prisons is outsizedly black, latino and other minority groups. These work-camps have a high rate of death, as well as abuse.

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                Sounds like the United States is a third world country with a bunch of issues that they project onto the rest of the world which they seem to think they’re the center of.

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                  Your point was that there were no camps, and I’ve now illustrated how there is. If you need another examples you can also look towards the Moria Refugee camp. It is odd to me how you keep retreating to “it’s not about the US”. What is it about then?

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                    You’re hilarious, glossing over the 2nd half of that comment with some sort of gotcha, I absolutely love it. Are you denying this is the least racist and most peaceful time period in history?

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          Are there not concentration camps on the US border? Does Australia not run concentration camps?

          What is this “not living in the time of concentration camps” that you’re referring to and when did this era begin?

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                  The person who assumes the nationality of their interlocutors, despite clear evidence to the contrary, and who assumes, despite all readily available evidence in linked articles, that Atomwaffen and The Base are purely-US phenomena is objecting to the fact that I assumed that they typed out a written comment.

                  You really don’t have any capacity for humility, do you?

                  Can’t get whiplash if your head is empty *taps forehead*

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          The poste is about the Nazis - the people that made use of concentration camps in order to perpetrate q genocide. How is this not relevant to a discussion about nazis?

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      After taking some serious time to think, I agree with you. It’s just absurd that anyone can advocate for killing Nazis. The Soviet orcs should have stormed Auschwitz and hugged the guards and scientists and said, “I forgive you, comrade.” The monsters even made poor Adolf commit suicide instead of advocating for self care.

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        Not to line them all up against a wall and shoot them.

        Maybe make them watch American history X or something, fuck do I know but a solution to hate isn’t more hate.

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          American History X is probably not the best de-Nazifying material but I do agree that in a perfect world, forcibly reeducating them is a more ideal solution, and in certain situations maiming or even just punching can work as a short-term solution.

          It’s not so much about hate as it is about defending ourselves and protecting the people who their continued existence is a constant threat towards. Though the hate doesn’t hurt.

          Some of us don’t have the luxury of waiting for a perfect solution. In the meantime, Bash The Fash

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            Reeducation is for peace time, after winning and substantially changing the system. Sure, right now you may be able to change individual minds. I’m sure many here started off as some reactionary, I know I certainly did. But the problem is that the institutions with power and influence and the condition that created Nazis are still present and PROMOTED by society.

            It’s the equivalent of Planet Fitness. Will some members become very fit and very healthy? Absolutely, with the right program and discipline, they can achieve that anywhere. But when you discourage advanced training, fill the gym with ineffective machines made by conmen, and feed everyone pizza, the majority will continue to stay unfit and unhealthy.

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          Nazis go beyond hate. That’s an absolutely vile position to hold, and trying to win them over with empathy isn’t how you do it, because they are past empathy. Fascism must be combatted thoroughly and completely.

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          maybe make them watch American History X or something

          Hahahahahahaha okay now I’m convinced this must be a bit. Nothing like some ed Norton to cure racism. Why not make them watch 21 Jump Street, after all it cured Kanye of antisemitism

          Someone was asking us yesterday why we hate liberals, this response right here encapsulates just about every reason we hate liberals

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          My dad was a neonazi and he loved watching American History X because he enjoyed the representation of his beliefs up on the silver screen.

          He was entirely immune to and ignorant of the moralising that underpinned the denouement of the film.

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          You’re suggesting rounding them up for re-education. We suggest that all the time, and yet when we suggest it you call us monsters.

          The time for re-education was 10 years ago though. There are far too many fascists now and they are embedded in far too many institutions, the inevitable outcome is already decided and the only pathway out down the line will be violent.

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      Well we’d hope the solution for Nazis is we only threaten to kill them first, before they get powerful enough to start organizing. And if they surrender and submit peacefully to re-education, maybe that’s ok in some rare instances

      If they’re already organized I suggest cluster munitions or have them lined up against a nice brick wall

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        I can’t 😭😭😭 imagine that talk but about blacks or Jews hahaha y’all are unhinged

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          “Well what if it was actually something different huh? Didn’t think about that, did ya?”
          speech-r ) smuglord

          Being a nazi, as opposed to black or jewish, is an ideological choice and not a question of race. That choice is a choice were you decide to pursue violent means in order to exterminate those of other races. Do you think a person pursuing genocide should be stopped? If you do, what do you propose should happen when they oppose being stopped?

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            If you grew up in a racist household and that’s all you knew, is that still your fault? I’m genuinely asking what you think about a child that’s been indoctrinated into that lifestyle.

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              i mean it’s basically a trolley problem. whether or not we blame someone who was born into naziism, at some point we have to stop them before they hurt others. and if the nazis are armed and organized, we start running out of peaceful ways to stop them.

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              It’s not that persons fault at all, but I think you’re making a mistake here in making a systemic question into an individual. We can recognize that no person is inherently “evil” (though I hate to use that word, I’m just lacking for words), but also recognize that the person is a member of an ideological group that is, and as long as the person is a member of said group, they’re opposed due to the fact that they are working towards genociding minorities.

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              I will respond to you with what I said to another person regarding whether we should have sympathy for southern slaveowners

              And yeah maybe they were raised that way, propagandized that way, never had a chance to form differing opinions - I don’t care. At one point they were upholding slavery and maintaining it, and I’m not going to be gentle with them while Black people were being worked to death, killed, beaten, and kept in bondage through their actions.

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          Hahahahahahaha “uhh what if you replaced this one word with a completely different word? Not so smart now huh” lol you’re a joke

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          No one is born a nazi. You choose to be a nazi because you’re a hateful bigot and you can choose to stop being a nazi. Saying it’s wrong to punish/forcefully reform nazis is like saying it’s wrong to punish child predators

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              You’re talking about the Nazis which were the people that perpetrated the holocaust. We think it was good to use violence, you seem to think otherwise. What did you think should’ve been done to stop the holocaust?

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                  You’re talking about the Nazis. Your post was about nazis, people are responding talking about nazis. The discussion is clearly about nazis, which comes as a result of you framing the discussion about nazis. If you didn’t want it to be about nazis, but I stead your perception that leftists label political opponents “nazi” as a way to otherize them and justify political violence, then you should’ve argued that point instead.
                  Do better, learn what words mean.

                  And answer the question

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      got bombarded with hate when I said a solution to Nazis isn’t to kill Nazis

      Yeah you usually get bombarded with hate when you announce you’re a nazi

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      The left right comparison is stupid, I dont believe in the death penalty but people like you usually don’t understand that you can’t fight intolerance with tolerance and that’s plain stupid!

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      There were all kinds of opinions in that discussion and only a tiny minority or only the op held this point of view (which was called for being unpopular). I hope my assumptions aren’t off.