A British citizen is among dozens of festival attendees who are missing, kidnapped or presumed dead

The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

    • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      11 months ago

      I’d rather watch you try to keep convincing yourself that everyone else is a hateful ass and you are the only one who understands Israel / Palestine, and its such an easy conflict to solve if we’d all just admit Palestinians are the ultimate victims… and … what? kick Israel out of the middle east? I don’t think I’ve heard your solution.

      TO summarize: When they had power and they chose to make a 2 tiered society: that was long ago - they can’t be blamed for that.

      When Palestine thought they had enough power to get rid of Israel, and they tried to do it in a war they lost - they can’t be blamed for that. Those were ‘colonizers’ they were trying to kill.

      When they elected Hamas and attacked Israel, they can’t be blamed for that because they were frustrated at their lack of power.

      Also, unlike you, I haven’t displayed a tendency to hold double standards

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • clanginator@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        11 months ago

        everyone else is a hateful ass

        Nope, just you actually.

        you are the only one who understands Israel / Palestine

        Nope, lots of people (who have actually educated themselves) understand it. You just let your bigotry get in the way of doing so.

        and … what? kick Israel out of the middle east?

        Ending the apartheid of Palestinians is necessary before anything else. That is what my comments have focused on this entire discussion, aside from cleaning up the vomit of misinformation you insist on spewing. Anything past ending apartheid is part of a process that would need to involve all people currently living in Palestine/Israel, and would almost certainly involve some kind of intermediary party.

        I don’t think I’ve heard your solution.

        That’s because it’s not my place to offer that, and me suggesting a solution would be meaningless. I do think it would probably have to involve either a 2-state solution where Palestine is given assistance to rebuild, or a carefully constructed single state where the rights of all citizens are protected. But again, that’s just like “yeah I think these are probably the most likely general ways that peace could be found there”, I’m not making suggestions or even saying those are the most likely, I just think they may be based on my understanding of things.

        I’m just trying to help inform and to combat blind hatred, misinformation, and bigotry spewed by you. That’s it.

        TO summarize: When they had power and they chose to make a 2 tiered society: that was long ago - they can’t be blamed for that.

        When Palestine thought they had enough power to get rid of Israel, and they tried to do it in a war they lost - they can’t be blamed for that. Those were ‘colonizers’ they were trying to kill.

        When they elected Hamas and attacked Israel, they can’t be blamed for that because they were frustrated at their lack of power.

        Yup, pretty much.

        To summarize (without trying to paint Palestinians as evil brown people):

        • Over 95% of the casualties of this conflict have been Palestinian
        • Palestinians have lived in an Apartheid state, been denied food, water, electricity, and bombed with the most advanced arsenal on earth for 80 years… in one of the most densely populated areas on earth
        • Israel has enjoyed the full financial and military backing of the US and commits war crimes daily against the Palestinian people
        • Your dumb ass thinks that somehow Palestinians deserve this shit because you’re quite literally racist. (every single comment you’ve made has had racist remarks which I have identified clearly)
        • You wanna pretend to care about women’s rights despite not actually giving a single fuck about Palestinian women

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        >Can’t point to a single double standard of mine, just has to pretend like it’s laughable

        Keep trying. I enjoy seeing bigots squirm.

        • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          11 months ago

          So you have no solution, but just want everyone to pretend these people can get along in the meantime, and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot. Despite a long history of violence showing they cannot get along. I get it. It’s the typical neo-liberal view of the world. ‘All religions and lifestyles can coexist if we put on enough blinders’. (and subjugate people hard enough under capitalism)

          You probably scream FREE PALESTINE every chance you get, but have no idea what that even means, and have no answers for Israeli citizens safety if the walls fell down tomorrow.

          I like how people on your side drop APARTHEID STATE into the conversation as if its the ultimate nuke, and then people on the other side drop SUPPORTING TERRORISTS KILLING BABIES into the conversation to nuke back. Both self-righteous as fuck about your own losses and ignorant (or secretly happy about) of the other sides losses. So I guess you’re the ‘SUPPORTING TERRORISTS KILLING BABIES’ type then if we are sticking to the black/white script?

          At least you admit you infantilize Palestinians to the point where you no longer believe they have agency. Nothing they do is their fault. Do you stick with that line when you see a Palestine immigrant involved in violence abroad?

          edit: in case you’re wondering why Im not bothering to cite your hypocrisy to you - I don’t care whether you see evidence you’re a hypocrite. I’m more interested in unwinding the belief system that allows you to hatefully attack me as a racist bigot for days for pointing out that religious fundamentalist groups beget awful violence everywhere they go, but love and steadfastly defend Palestine as innocent victims.

          And yeah, I guess if you think they are essentially babies without agency, it makes sense. You see me as an adult with choices, and i’ve chosen to turn away from helping religious fundamentalists (and you’re mad I even say that most Palestinians are religious fundamentalists! even though that seems to be what evidence suggests … but again ‘nothing they do is their fault!’).

          You see yourself as loving and me as hateful. But I dunno. Im betting if you heard I got my brains beat in by a Palestinian for expressing these views openly, you’d feel happy. Tell me Im wrong. The most you’d feel is ‘well, the Palestinian couldn’t have helped it, their history made them this way’. Some might say you are practicing benevolent racism.