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I know it’s not exactly the point of the post but I want to go on a tangent and note that it’s 100% valid for kids to complain about school even if you have it harder. You should take their feelings seriously because their feelings are just as real to them as you hating your job is to you. When a toddler spills their juice and starts crying, those feelings are just as intense as yours, and you should respond accordingly instead of thinking “don’t they know about the wars in the middle east?”
Yeah, it’s all relative. It’s just incredible how your perspective can change in your lifetime.
I had an absolutely terrible time in my small underfunded high school due to chronic illness, family tragedy, coming from a poor home, and just generally not having that many friends. I got picked on, I struggled intensely with untreated ADHD and depression, and was just all together miserable.
But to spite all that, I completely understand what people mean when they say they miss that period of their life, and I’d never seek to make them think they’re wrong for feeling that. There’s a weird defensiveness about this topic where people seem to feel anyone else having any sort of positive association with that period of time somehow invalidates their own hardships.
High School is not a good or bad thing. It’s just a thing. An experience that was different for everyone. It’s okay to leave it at that.
Babies cry because whatever happened was the worst thing they can ever remember happening
I cry because babies are the worst thing I can ever remember happening.
Is that why I can’t cry anymore, I’ve seen the worst and experienced the worst? I mean that makes some sense after reading that.
This 100%.
Sure, a kids worst day of their life is probably still a better day than the worst day of an adults life. But it is still the worst day of their life and they are entitled to feel like so.
I fucking hated school. I remember my freshman math teacher would give us packets with work for each day of the week. I would finish my folder of work either Monday or Tuesday and would just sleep. I had an A in that class for my work and my tests.
I failed that class because “participation is half your grade” Get fucked, cunt.
The good teachers teach because they love it and want to make a positive difference.
But a large percentage teach because they are miserable cunts who couldn’t work anywhere else because adults wouldn’t tolerate their bullshit.
I would not switch my current scenario for a scenario where I was back in school. Hard pass. Now is much better.
Yeah, I rather get paid for my time and not be dependant on my parents for everything.
Yeah, there are some things missing from that list, like the homework and bullying. No thanks.
Same for me for college and highschool experience. School from 7am-3pm, and then work from 4pm-9pm and 10 hour shifts on Sat and Sunday, from age 14 until I graduated college.
Whenever I say I hated school, people always said it was my own fault for not getting more involved with more extracurricular activities. Those people weren’t trying to pay bills while making 4.25 an hour.
For real, as an undiagnosed ADHD kid school was a hellscape of boredom, frustration, and bullying.
That’s not what this is about at all. You’re missing the entire point.
The only thing being discussed is the amount of time you had to yourself with a school schedule, versus how little time you have to yourself on a work schedule. That’s it.
They’re not talking about literally being back in school. They’re not talking about bullying, homework, taking classes etc. They’re not talking about not having money or being dependent on your parents. They’re not talking about Mr Jones from Biology who wouldn’t stop shouting at kids.
Reading comprehension, however, is something that’s worth remembering from those days.
The only thing being discussed is the amount of time you had to yourself with a school schedule, versus how little time you have to yourself on a work schedule. That’s it.
I have so much more free time now than I did in school. This post is ignoring the existence of homework and extra curricular activities that your parents sign you up for.
But they are talking about seeing their friends every day? So only the good things about school then eh?
The answer isn’t nostalgia for school. The answer is to improve work with the “perceived” benefits of school. 30-hour work weeks, 6 weeks paid vacation, paid holidays including bank holidays, occasional half days after the end of a big project, chatting with coworkers that aren’t stressed out of their mind and actually given the mental space to be chill with you.
That’s the real dream.
We just have to deal with this lizard infestation first.
We just have to wait for the climate to cool down…oh, shit.
Ugh, no thank you, school was like a shitty job you can’t quit, physical violence is brushed off and your future is held hostage by underpaid govenment workers who either don’t care about you or actively hate your guts. I would sooner die than return to that time and place.
For me, school before college was garbage. Stuck being babysat for hours and hours every day with classmates I hated, doing extremely boring remedial work.
Once I got to college I had a lot of fun. I could learn more of what I wanted to and only had to spend a few hours a week in the classroom.
its really not so much school as your parents keeping a roof over your head and food in your stomach. On top of it in my time minimum wage was pretty high when you could get a dozen eggs for 29 or even 19 cents for a dozen on sale. Did not take much part time work to pay for vidoe games, movies, eating out, etc.
The homework tho. It was the homework that hurt.
Gimme that homework now. I’ll absolutely crush those essays I used to have so much trouble with.
I just didn’t do that part
And the exams.
They really need to be lower stakes. Year-end exams just cover too much material for failure to be no big deal. Should be that failing a test requires a few days of review to catch up on the parts you didn’t know, and then you’re good.
Homework should be illegal.
Homework is really helpful didactically, but it should be coordinated throughout the entire school to avoid overlapping crunch time and limited to 30-40 hours per week of combined class time and homework time total depending on age.
no weekends
9 to 3
Did OP go to like rich people fake school? Homework took up half your out-of-school time and I had to wake up before 6:30.
I suffered very badly because of the school times and the lack of sleep triggered manic episodes for me. Yes, getting up at 5:30 and trying to go to school on less than 3 hours every day wrecked my health and mental health.
9 to 3 would have been a God send.
Here in Romania, it’s 8-14 for primary and 8-16 for secondary. 8-15 or 9-16 is pretty standard for the UK. Those both include 1 hour lunch breaks.
There’s also been a push here in the EU to move to later start times for children’s mental health reasons, especially for teens. I don’t think it’s gotten a lot of traction though.
Googling around, looks like 9-15 is standard for Australia.
I went to public school, described my experience + I did sports on weekends.
9 to 3:30 in India, and weekends only if an unexpected holiday was declared (for example, due to rain). But we had an hour or two of homework every day.
Depending on the environment you grew up in this isn’t necessarily the case, high school and college particularly can be very high pressure and consume tons of time when you’re not actively “at school”. The pressure in college was so much higher than in a real job for me. Weekends used to be for homework and studying only. Weekdays after 5? Also homework. The stress and self inflicted pressure before finals and exams which determine 20%+ of your grade was unreal. Summers were for internships and those weekends were nice. But still not as nice as doing the same thing and getting paid 4x as much.
I actually personally prefer my current work life over school. WFH, no studying after hours, no exams, no pressure to pass/graduate. Just do my job and forget about it when I log off. Granted there is still stress from the job, but it’s more about meeting deadlines for something I know how to do. I do take training and certification exams from time to time (which I hate because it feels like school). YMMV depending on your job obviously.
Nah, man. fuck school
I had to wake up at 6 am in order to arrive at 7:30, didn’t get out until 3 pm. It was basically a full time job with horrible hours and unpaid overtime.
Wait you guys only got 6 weeks off for summer?? Summer break was always from mid-June to September for me, about 10 weeks…
Heck I took 5 weeks off for summer now and still got two weeks of paid vacay left.
We are talking about school here dude
When I was in school, a bully punch me in the face and laughed about it. I didn’t fight back, I just walked away. We were both suspended. We both came back to school. They kept bullying me.
If this happened at work, the offender would have been fired on the spot.
Being an adult can suck, but we should stop telling kids how amazing they have it and how it gets so much worse being an adult. Some kids really do have it bad.
If I had known that life got better after school, maybe I wouldn’t have been so damned depressed at the age of 13.
Sounds like she peaked in school.
This is partly why I am almost middle age and working seasonally. It’s more like 10 weeks off but I haven’t worked full time year round since 2009 and it is really nice. My time off is in the winter tho.
school sucked though?
- 7:45am start time sucks ass. no one in their right mind likes being up that early. i was NEVER well rested, it made my anxiety and social anxiety even worse, making me even more alienated from my peers
- tons and tons of busywork and stress and deadlines while getting nothing in return for it. at least with a job you get paid
- when i started high school they installed these awful internet filters that didn’t let you access youtube, or ‘forums’, or ‘sports’, or anything potentially interesting, fun, or engaging. half the time it’d block legitimate lesson plans as well. (before anyone says ‘you should be paying attention in class’ in many classes and obv study hall we had free time to work on assignments)
