Apparently she wrote in her private diary stuff like “I am evil for doing this” and “I am a horrible person for doing these things”. IMO this points more towards a massive mental health disorder rather than someone purposely doing evil acts to achieve their own selfish desires. It sounds like she had very unwanted intrusive impulses and she was unable to stop herself from acting on them.
Don’t get me wrong, her being aware that her acts were wrong doesn’t give her a get out of jail pass. The awareness of her drives being wrong means the onus was on her to get help to prevent her from acting on those drives. But IMO it does make clear that there was no motive, it was likely caused by a compulsion mental illness. This is all IMO though.
It makes me question if the root cause really is mental illness. Of course it doesn’t help, but millions of people have mental illnesses and don’t murder newborns.
Right, it would have to be extraordinarily rare conditions, or a common condition with an extraordinary severity. My point is, at that level, are we better off calling it a rare birth defect vs mental illness?
Because it’s rather offensive and only makes the stigmatism worse to label it as a general mental illness.
No, I don’t think talking about the fact that some symptoms from certain mental illnesses heighten the risk for people to become criminals is stigmatising or should be considered offensive. Some mental illnesses can be the result of a birth defect, so I don’t see how that’s better?
For example the symptoms described as psychopathy are very likely traits people are born with. These people are at higher risk of coming in conflict with the law, which can be averted with the right care. Others could develope an antisocial personality disorder because of an abusive upbringing, again something that can be helped with the right therapy.
If we just label people as evil or pretend they are somehow “defective” human beings since birth, that can have dire consequences.
You’re not helping the stigma against mental illness by automatically assuming she committed the murders as a result of it. You are not a psychologist, more importantly not her psychologist, so you do not have the authority to make that kind of a determination.
Claiming she committed the murders because she is mentally ill is an ableist act.
Being mentally ill doesn’t mean you’re going to murder anyone, certainly not babies.
It absolutely is and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for defending it. The mentally ill are hurt deeply when you use stereotypes that they are violent, dangerous and lack agency to absolve evil monsters of their actions. What you’re doing is wrong and you need to stop.
The point is that if you destigmatize mental illness then she could’ve gotten help for herself AND as a result no babies would’ve been killed. Saying “she should’ve killed herself” at best will do nothing, and at worst will prevent other mentally ill people from getting help for themselves, AND thus will lead to more innocent people becoming their victims.
That’s assuming she committed the murders out of mental illness, which is entirely baseless and an ableist claim to make.
You are here with a clear agenda and what you’re doing – undermining the seriousness and reprehensibility of her actions by labeling it as mental illness – is morally repugnant.
After she killed the first one there’s no helping her. Offing herself and saving everyone the time and money of running her through the justice system and locking her up for the rest of her life IS the best thing she can do. The time to ask for help is BEFORE you murder someone’s child. If she’d done that I’d commend here.
According to this article they never conclusively determined what her motive was. There were theories that it my have been Munchausen’s by proxy or simple sadism in response to seeing the families grieve, but nothing was ever proven. As for her methods, this article details them and I’ll leave you to read up on that, not going to detail it here. Suffice it to say, this woman deserves to never see the light of day again.
Tldr/ootl… How and why did she do this?
Apparently she wrote in her private diary stuff like “I am evil for doing this” and “I am a horrible person for doing these things”. IMO this points more towards a massive mental health disorder rather than someone purposely doing evil acts to achieve their own selfish desires. It sounds like she had very unwanted intrusive impulses and she was unable to stop herself from acting on them.
Don’t get me wrong, her being aware that her acts were wrong doesn’t give her a get out of jail pass. The awareness of her drives being wrong means the onus was on her to get help to prevent her from acting on those drives. But IMO it does make clear that there was no motive, it was likely caused by a compulsion mental illness. This is all IMO though.
The fact that she recognized how horrible the things she did was and didn’t immediately yeet herself off the roof just makes it worse
You’re not helping the stigma against mental illness here
they said while being awful intentionally
Leaving an internet comment and murdering double digit newborns is an interesting equivalence
Most mental illness doesn’t involve murdering anyone. I’d say Ms Murder Nurse is the one really not helping the stigma against mental illness.
It makes me question if the root cause really is mental illness. Of course it doesn’t help, but millions of people have mental illnesses and don’t murder newborns.
Or, you know, perhaps there are different mental health issues people can have??
Right, it would have to be extraordinarily rare conditions, or a common condition with an extraordinary severity. My point is, at that level, are we better off calling it a rare birth defect vs mental illness?
Because it’s rather offensive and only makes the stigmatism worse to label it as a general mental illness.
No, I don’t think talking about the fact that some symptoms from certain mental illnesses heighten the risk for people to become criminals is stigmatising or should be considered offensive. Some mental illnesses can be the result of a birth defect, so I don’t see how that’s better?
For example the symptoms described as psychopathy are very likely traits people are born with. These people are at higher risk of coming in conflict with the law, which can be averted with the right care. Others could develope an antisocial personality disorder because of an abusive upbringing, again something that can be helped with the right therapy.
If we just label people as evil or pretend they are somehow “defective” human beings since birth, that can have dire consequences.
As someone with mental illness I’m actually more offended that we’re pinning that as the cause.
You’re not helping the stigma against mental illness by automatically assuming she committed the murders as a result of it. You are not a psychologist, more importantly not her psychologist, so you do not have the authority to make that kind of a determination.
Claiming she committed the murders because she is mentally ill is an ableist act.
Being mentally ill doesn’t mean you’re going to murder anyone, certainly not babies.
You’re ableist, and unempathetic.
dude, just stfu.
No. I will not be silent in face of blatant ableism.
It’s not fucking ableism. You’re jumping through hopps to invent shit the OP didn’t say just to have an argument. Get a grip.
It absolutely is and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for defending it. The mentally ill are hurt deeply when you use stereotypes that they are violent, dangerous and lack agency to absolve evil monsters of their actions. What you’re doing is wrong and you need to stop.
She murdered 7 infants talk to her about the stigma against mental illness.
Babies supercede mental illness in the real world.
That’s a false dichotomy. We can make things better for both.
You can resurrect dead babies?
The point is that if you destigmatize mental illness then she could’ve gotten help for herself AND as a result no babies would’ve been killed. Saying “she should’ve killed herself” at best will do nothing, and at worst will prevent other mentally ill people from getting help for themselves, AND thus will lead to more innocent people becoming their victims.
That’s assuming she committed the murders out of mental illness, which is entirely baseless and an ableist claim to make.
You are here with a clear agenda and what you’re doing – undermining the seriousness and reprehensibility of her actions by labeling it as mental illness – is morally repugnant.
After she killed the first one there’s no helping her. Offing herself and saving everyone the time and money of running her through the justice system and locking her up for the rest of her life IS the best thing she can do. The time to ask for help is BEFORE you murder someone’s child. If she’d done that I’d commend here.
According to this article they never conclusively determined what her motive was. There were theories that it my have been Munchausen’s by proxy or simple sadism in response to seeing the families grieve, but nothing was ever proven. As for her methods, this article details them and I’ll leave you to read up on that, not going to detail it here. Suffice it to say, this woman deserves to never see the light of day again.
She used her position as a nurse to intentionally kill newborns.