The new data — comprehensive and definitive — should put to rest the countervailing narratives over Musk’s management of the app. Under his stewardship, X’s daily user base has declined from an estimated 140 million users to 121 million, with a widening gap between people who check the app daily vs. monthly. X’s remaining daily users are engaged similarly as before. But the pool is shrinking. Apptopia pulls its data from more than 100,000 apps on iOS and Android, along with publicly available sources.
So apparently it lost only 13% of daily users? Thats a smaller number than I thought. Still bad news for Twitter though.
On the other hand, it shows the power of content creators and niche communities. I used less Twitter but cannot delete it because it is literally how I connect with my niche community on there.
Funnily enough twitter just suddenly got much worse like a couple days ago for me, only pushing blue-check accounts so I might just finally stop using it
You hypothetically showed them.
To be honest, I’ve had a Twitter account for years but didn’t really use it. I would only go on Twitter once every few months. Since everyone’s talking about it now because of Musk I think about it more and use it a little more. Maybe once a week. I wonder if the lost users are being replaced by people like me.
I only have a Twitter so links are easier to follow.
For me it’s more the other way around, had a Twitter account for years. Didn’t really use it much, a bit more in the last 2 years. Deleted my account after Elon took over.
Only 13%?? With everything he’s going through, it seems very little to me. I think that the turning point would be top-level institutions and politicians changing Mastodon, I think that as long as that does not happen Twitter will still be relevant unfortunately
There were probably only 15% that were human in the first place.
13% may not sound like a lot, but it includes almost all of the 10% who weren’t complete idiots.
So I guess you’re still using it?
Hey, this comment reads like you’re just dunking on another user. If that is not what you meant to do, please try to communicate more clearly, and if that is what you meant to do, please refrain while commenting on Beehaw in order to be(e) nice. Thanks!
Considering they said almost all, that’s not the gotcha you think it is.
That’s just the 13% who have stopped using it daily I imagine, who were already probably super addicted to it.
Not sure if weekly/monthly users dropping out would be included in that tally. Also it says nothing about activity time from the daily users. It’s possible the users that stuck around may not be using it as much i.e. 1-2 tweets or comments a day now vs 10-20 before.
That’s just the 13% who have stopped using it daily I imagine, who were already probably super addicted to it.
It’s the opposite. As per the article, daily users remained consistent while monthly users saw the 13% drop.
Can’t you just follow them via one of the mirror instances like bird.makeup?
Interesting.
Every time I follow a twitter/X link it asks me to log in to read it. Which I cannot do as I never bothered to get one. Is there a way to read those links without an account?
bird.makeup is fediverse server software. it creates mirror accounts from twitter users, which means that you can follow twitter accounts from Mastodon (or CalcKey, Pleroma, etc).
You can also just use something like nitter.net to follow and browsing Twitter without an account.
I will not call twitter “x” till the day I die
One of my current favorite alternative is, “X, the web app you access at twitter.com”, though given the logo that they chose I’m tempted to start referring to them as X11.
Elon must have spent so much on x.com yet it still redirects to the primary URL twitter.com
Probably because if he changed that, then the whole site would break.
And he fired all the people with the experience to make it work again.
I’ve taken to calling it “xitter”
Somehow, that reminds me of a snowflake dictator who gets annoyed by a cartoon bear and whom the WHO is very afraid of.
I like Xitter, pronounced like xi- in Chinese.
For those who want to know, that makes Xitter sound like halfway between Sitter and Shitter.
As an English speaker you can try to make that sound by saying the Y in YEET and paying close attention to how exactly your tongue is positioned and where in your mouth the air is being constricted. Then try to position your tongue as if you want to say “yeet” or “yes” again, but make an S sound at exactly the same constriction point where you made the Y sound before. If you’re successful, it should sound like a hybrid between S and SH to your English ears.
That’s how I make it anyway, actual Mandarin speakers might find issue with my explanation.
Exactly what I got for. My Mandarin is pretty awful, however.
It’s only ever “the website formerly know as Twitter” to me.
Agreed. It will be Twitter for me till it die.
Rebranding Twitter, one of the most recognizable brand on earth, to “X” is not just shooting yourself in the foot, it’s taking a shotgun, aiming at your feet and pulling the trigger.
I’m thinking a little higher up and more to the centerline
Meanwhile, Reddit is like: “Hold my beer.”
He should start charging the users to make up for the loss ;) (praying and hoping this damn site dies soon)
mastodon finally clicked for me and i don’t miss twitter at all. sometimes i accidentally load twitter out of force of habit, but immediately recognize how much it sucks now and close it again. Likewise, reddit’s dead to me too now. i’m finally starting to feel like decentralized federated social media systems might actually work out.
Out of curiosity, can I ask what it was that made mastodon click?
I had two or three goes before realising that choosing the right instance can give you an engaging “local” feed. That seems dramatically less important on lemmy though.
i’m not so sure it was even my local feed that got me feeling like i belonged, really; more that I started reflexively defaulting to the federated feed and found it to be much more lively. Perhaps it was actually the changes brought on by time. Perhaps it was because twitter is rotting like a forgotten corpse in a warm, damp room and all the smart people who actually give a shit finally all started to say “fuck this” and enough of a critical mass has finally accumulated in federated services for them to affect its overall feel. I definitely see content from technically minded, creative, motivated people more on mastodon than i EVER did on twitter, but especially now. Twitter now is just … sad, and it reminds me that I have a better place that I’d enjoy visiting more.
What is reddit? That shit site with psycho owners who want to go public because they are convinced they are successful, despite not being able to make any money and alienating their moderators and userbase? Lols.
i started reading your reply in the voice of Dracula from the intro to Symphony of the Night XD
“WHAT is REDDIT 🍷💫💥 but a MISERABLE pile of SHITPOSTS!”
The 'net ill-needs a failure such as him.
His terms of service are as empty as his revenues!
all this to say, yeah fam 100% totally agree
it is literally how I connect with my niche community on there
And that’s why it’s only 13%
And he’s not alone.
I’m on tech Twitter and trying to switch to Mastodon. Unfortunately, the latest news and top content are still on Twitter and I don’t want to be missing out on either of those.
A real transition will happen in bursts. I’d love to see stats by interest categories, because I suspect what happens is enough prominent people in some community move at to bring the rest with them, but until that happens there’s no budge.
I am 100% off social media now. Was never a big fan of Twitter but I’m definitely not paying for it. Zuckbook has been deleted for a decade. When Reddit disabled 3rd party apps, that was the last time I used Reddit.
I miss some of the timely news on specific topics but otherwise nothing’s lost.
So what’s the consensus here? Does social media not include things where people use usernames, or do Reddit and maybe even Lemmy count?
I view the term “social media” as a continuum and not a box. There are degrees of “social media” with the extreme being sites built around using people’s “real-life” identities.
Well, social media has a definition. It is any media that allows you to be social. No matter if it is anonymous or not.
Reddit and Lemmy are definitely social media. A subreddit or Lemmy community is effectively the same idea as a Facebook group, just with pseudonyms.
Social media has always excluded forum like sites. It most definitely does not include anonymous sites. Social media has a strict definition about having connections to people, none of which Reddit nor lemmy has. Reddit technically added followers, but you cannot see nor interact with them, that’s not social media, that’s an email list. If lemmy is social media then so is every single comment section on every news site ever.
Social media has always excluded forum like sites.
So are you saying that Facebook Groups aren’t social media either? That’s a forum like site.
This is Merriam-Webster’s definition of social networking:
forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)
This is Cambridge’s:
websites and computer programs that allow people to communicate and share information on the internet using a computer or cell phone
Lemmy and Reddit both fall under these definitions.
Reddit technically added followers, but you cannot see nor interact with them,
Not sure what you mean by this… Reddit has had chats and PMs for a long time.
It most definitely does not include anonymous sites
Neither Lemmy nor Reddit are anonymous. They’re pseudonymous. Something like 4chan where you don’t even need an account is anonymous.
So are you saying that Facebook Groups aren’t social media either? That’s a forum like site. Tumblr isn’t social media either?
Correct, facebook groups is not facebook. It’s forum software hosted at the same url as facebook. Same as Facebook Marketplace. Marketplace is not facebook. It’s craigslist. It just happens to be hosted at the same url as facebook. Just like StackOverflow Chat is not question and answer software even though it’s literally hosted at the same url. Just like your phone is not social media even though you both create communities on it and communicate with people on it. If you don’t understand how servers work behind the scenes then maybe that doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, but a url is nothing more than a sign to put on the front of your building. You can then teleport the user to anywhere else in the universe and it can have absolutely nothing to do with the original location at all. This is the framework of the internet.
Lemmy and Reddit both fall under these definitions.
literally every single website on the entire planet meet those definitions.
Not sure what you mean by this… Reddit has had chats and PMs for a long time.
You cannot interact with your followers. I didn’t say anything about communicating with individuals that you see around the site. You have no way to know who your followers are you have no way to message your followers. You have no way to interact with your followers. Reddit is a forum software, exactly like every forum software before it.
Neither Lemmy nor Reddit are anonymous. They’re pseudonymous. Something like 4chan where you don’t even need an account is anonymous.
accounts have nothing to do with anonymity, maybe you’re using some layperson’s version of anonymity, but anonymous means it does not require real information. reddit and lemmy are anonymous.
The quantifiably different thing about lemmy is nobody is trying to trap you in a skinner box.
I mean it kind of ends up being a Skinner box anyway just because of the loop of scrolling, seeing a post, looking at it and repeating. But I agree nobody is actively trying to trap you in one.
I should have said with the exception of Lemmy. Not sure I’m getting enough value to continue using it either honestly.
i am afraid that consensus among general population increasingly is “words mean exactly what you want them to mean at any given moment”. welcome to post-factual age.
Nah, language has always been in flux. We’re not going to become babbling morons any time soon. I mean, we even have writing now so we can save up a definition to adopt or reject later; that’s fairly new in human history.
What is a bit different is that we have to talk about a lot of things that didn’t exist a generation ago, but that’s only a matter of quantity. Every branch of the Indo-European language family adopted it’s own term for iron when it arrived, for example, so I’m sure we’ll settle on some sort of consistent English terminology for different kinds of platforms. We’re just not there yet, as the replies I got show.
Social media has always excluded forum like sites. It most definitely does not include anonymous sites. Social media has a strict definition about having connections to people, none of which Reddit nor lemmy has. Reddit technically added followers, but you cannot see nor interact with them, that’s not social media, that’s an email list. If lemmy is social media then so are every single comment section on every news site ever.
Social media has always excluded forum like sites. Social media has a strict definition
social media has never excluded anything. it wouldn’t even be possible, and that is because there is no supreme authority that could issue some strict definition that would be legally binding for everyone 😆
social media didn’t come about until after the advent of facebook so yes, by definition it excludes anything before then. Forum software existed for decades at that point. At no point in time has forum software ever been included in anyone’s social media definition, except it seems like you.
You can subscribe to news or to Lemmy topics via RSS, you don’t need an account unless you want to reply/comment/post. RSS allows you to subscribe on topic you actually like or want and ignore other stuff. Not having an account can help to be more productive and spend less time talking with others. I have not even a Google account so I can’t neither like or comment on youtube videos or other places that needs an account and I’m totally okay. My only social accounts are this and a Mastodon user I don’t use anymore as RSS is actually how I want to get the news or people opinions/posts.
RSS allows you to subscribe on topic you actually like or want and ignore other stuff.
subscription on lemmy allows you the exact same thing. i don’t see how scrolling through your rss reader should be any different from scrolling through the lemmy app.
Choosing a single letter name was a marketing disaster. Elon is truly clueless when it comes to people and social. Even worse when X implies Ex anything.
Maybe lengthen it to xxx.com? Think anyone owns that one?
definitely not, seems completely original. Go for it elon!
In related news, Twitter is up to 80% nazi billionaire despot disinformation bots now. Congratulations!
Well, 13% of daily users is pretty much if 50% are trolls and bots. 🤣
A must have browser extension to avoid accidentally adding to their traffic volume: https://github.com/SimonBrazell/nitter-redirect
you can use libredirect to include other backends too: https://libredirect.github.io/
I’m convinced that muskrat did this to destroy a channel of communication. It sure helped me look for more free and open source alternatives. I never used Twitter other than seeing live on the spot events.
Saudi monarchy and other rich folks probably encouraged him further.
