• fosforus@sopuli.xyz
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      11 months ago

      Yet somehow almost every nation that’s neighboring Russia is ready to fight Russia just for the privilege of not being in Russia. We cannot all be just delusional.

    • wombatula@lemm.eeEnglish
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      11 months ago

      So by that logic, Ukraine and in fact every country that Putin sets his eyes on should just roll over and surrender?

      The mere threat of violence should allow a dictator to take over, as long as the country is moderately corrupt?

      I hate to break it to you, that’s nearly every country in the world, so Putin (or any other dictator) could become the world’s emperor if they just made a credible threat?

      This is why total pacifism is insanity folks.

    • MxM111@kbin.social
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      11 months ago

      Ukrainians disagree. And they are the ones that matter. If you want to live in slavery or without political rights, it is your choice, of course.

      • Dogyote@slrpnk.net
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        11 months ago

        Well yeah, it’s up to them, but I don’t think they’re monolithic. They’ll eventually negotiate once they run out of men or weapons. I don’t think they’d be slaves if Russia captured Kyiv either. Perhaps without political rights, but that wasn’t much different than before.

        • MxM111@kbin.social
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          11 months ago

          I think that’s exactly the point - they know how it was before, and they know how it can be by looking in neighboring EU.

            • MxM111@kbin.social
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              11 months ago

              “Give me liberty or give me death”

              — Patric Henry

              “There are very few things worth dying for, liberty for yourself and for your loved ones is one of them”

              — MxM111

                • MxM111@kbin.social
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                  11 months ago

                  That depends where you live, what your cultural upbringing is. If you are from Russia, sure. There, it is a myth, and democracy is something to scare people by.