Recently, many of our anti-Zionists posts have been downvoted to oblivion by liberals. As hexberians realized a while back, downvotes only help liberals since they are more numerous and they don’t need to engage in discourse. I am proposing to just get rid of downvotes and instead engage in discourse on content that we disagree on.
I don’t agree
Would you take it kindly if I visited Hexbear to advocate for downvotes to be reinstated?
I don’t care what you think, I care what’s better for the trans community so they don’t get harassed. You can get bent for all I care
I was trying to politely lead to the conclusion that this isn’t your instance to advocate for change in.
You’re insinuating that I’ve advocated for harm to the trans community. I have not.
You haven’t shown that removing downvotes is useful for the topic at hand, which is federated downvotes.
I don’t want to repeat the culture of hexbear, but I’m very happy it’s there for the people who do.
Pre-federation we had a pretty sweet culture featuring a very high signal/noise ratio where people were generally taken in pretty good faith and lightly corrected for mild things, and atomized by orbital ion canon for moderate to very bad things for the 10 minutes or so before the user is banned. We’re still reeling after federation and our signal/noise ratio has honestly gone to shit.
That said you can take Kristina’s insight or leave it but she isn’t wrong.
The culture of sport-arguing about outside cats until someone gets banned is not something I want to be part of.
What is she right about? This isn’t hexbear for her to recommend changes on, and this scenario of federated downvoters is not the same as the Hexbear harassment scenario.
I’m really surprised you havent learned that there was a history of harassment of people on lemmy and that there were consistent stalkers of trans people constantly downvoting trans posts. This isnt an issue in safe spaces. It really doesnt matter what happens in the fediverse. What you are saying, though, is that you are happy with trans people being harassed on lemmygrad if you are not proposing a different system that counteracts it.
If someone is being harassed on Lemmy, we can figure out who’s doing the downvoting and ban them. Bring the issue up with a site admin.
I understand that there was an issue with this in Hexbear pre-federation. I’m glad the admins found a solution that works for the site.
The point of this post is that it does matter what happens in the fediverse. This post is about federated downvotes.
I have not said that, you’re putting together a strawman to crybully.
You haven’t shared how your situation in Hexbear (pre-federation, with internal users, and people being downvoted who do not want to spread posts in the fediverse) is relevant to this post (federated downvotes of a user who wants to share posts throughout the fediverse).
You also haven’t shared why it’s your business what Lemmygrad does.
Lemmygrad is a shit instance if they can’t handle basic discussion about trans people being harassed and think the correct decision is to ban the trans people who have an issue.
Your problem isn’t that you’re having an issue with trans people harassed, it’s that you’re assuming that we have the exact same problem Hexbear had in that regard, and arguing that we should remove a major site feature on Lemmygrad because of it when it’s never really been a problem here (largely because the admins are so on top of things), and then basically just accusing everyone here who disagrees with that idea of being transphobic and dunking on them for it when that’s not even close to why people here disagree with the idea
Basically, it’s not that we can’t handle discussion about trans people being harassed, it’s that you’re immediately assuming bad faith of everyone here when it’s rather uncalled for, and people here are pretty experienced at spotting bad faith arguments for reasons that should be obvious
I’ve been here long enough that I have absolutely observed it as a problem here, yes.
Weren’t you the loser that demanded I be ‘respectful’ when I say we should do something about harassment? Have you ever considered that people get angry whenever they suggest, through lived experience, that something decreases harassment, and then you debatelord over it?
Even blahaj can get this shit right, what a fucking joke that you can’t think to be better than a liberal
Of all the people who are sure they are right about this issue for everyone in the fediverse, you are the surest.
Correct, loser
Except when a trans person says something encourages harassment towards trans people apparently 🙄
I’m just a data point of one, but I think you’re sabotaging your own arguments for emojidunkings over downvotes.