• Nougat@kbin.social
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    Do you mean “rush to zipper” as in “using an open lane to move forward and then zipper merge into the remaining lane when that one closes?” That is precisely what you should do.

    The problem is the selfish people who refuse to let those people actually zipper merge, like OP.

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      @Nougat
      It’s hard to discuss zipper merging because people use to justify all sorts of dick behavior. Zipping through an empty left turn only lane to skip to the head of a right turn only lane for example. That’s not an example of zipper merging but there’s tons of people who I’ve seen argue that’s acceptable behavior.

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        That’s not an example of zipper merging but there’s tons of people who I’ve seen argue that’s acceptable behavior.

        We agree that that’s not what we’re talking about, and those people are wrong. That wasn’t hard at all.

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      The issue is, at the end of the day, that nobody ever seems to know how to keep a decent distance away from the car in front of them. It doesn’t matter how slow traffic is, leave some space in front of you. It gives you room to slow down in case something happens, and it gives everyone else room to merge.

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      Zipper merging requires matching speed with the lane you are merging into so that drivers can make gradual changes in speed to make an opening for the person merging. That avoids sending a wave of brake slams that results from sudden unexpected lane changes. If you’re passing a bunch of people, you’re probably not doing a zipper merge.

      You’re also much less likely to end up with someone not letting you over if they see you matching speed instead of speeding up to the merge point.

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        If you’re passing a bunch of people, you are using the open lane to travel. By the time the lane you are in comes to an end, you then modulate your speed to match traffic in the slower lane, and merge. Because cars have brakes.

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          You need to start matching speed at the start of the signage for the merge. At that point it’s no longer just a lane, it is a lane with restrictions.

          You’re not actually increasing total throughput by speeding ahead, you’re only changing the order. The total throughput is determined by the flow of traffic after the constriction point. That flow is smoothest when drivers match speed.

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            What you’re missing is that the “closing lane” is often designed to be utilized to prevent traffic from backing up into another traffic control device.

            While you’re “matching speed” with the open lane that’s hardly moving- traffic has now backed up into an intersection and caused gridlock on cross streets for miles behind you.

            So while “total throughput” on YOUR journey has remained the same you may be causing chaos to the roads around you.

            Your best bet is to just assume the traffic engineers who designed the closure know better than you.

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              youtube.com/watch?v=cX0I8OdK7Tk

              The middle and last scenario both have people merging in at the end, but only the scenario with matching speed has smooth high throughput flow that alleviates congestion.

              The lane hardly moving is usually because of uneven merging at the closure point. If everyone matches speed then both lanes are filled equally. That’s what the traffic engineers say is best.

              There’s a problematic entry ramp that I used to drive every day on my commute. Traffic would back up around it every day in rush hour. When I matched speed and zippered in at the end, the congestion actually started to clear a little as the lane being merged into started moving substantially faster without people cutting in out of turn.

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                This does not address my point at all. I agreed that your suggestion would not necessarily negatively impact the total throughput on your route.

                My point was that your route does not exist in a vacuum and the utility of the open lane may not be obvious without having the same information available as the traffic engineers who designed the closure.

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                  Matching speed does a better job of filling both lanes evenly and reduces the amount of backed up traffic. The slow lane is what backs up to prior intersections. Matching speed is what allows the slow lane to clear up and prevent affecting upstream intersections. You’re point isn’t actually relevant to what I’ve described because the lane is fully utilized in a proper zipper merge with speed matching.

                  So I’m not ignoring the purpose of the merge lane, and I’m not advocating early merging. I’m describing the key aspect of zipper merging that the cruise ahead people are missing.

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      I mean speeding at a far higher speed than the other plane and then suddenly slamming on the brakes and forcing themselves into the other lane. Rushing to merge, not just zipper merging at a similar speed.

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        If the lane being used is still open for forward traffic, that is a completely legitimate zipper merge, although it would be safer to match speed more gradually and, of course, wait for an appropriate space to merge into. As a hypothetical, that’s a borderline case, and it’s certainly possible to adjust the details of the hypothetical to make the merging driver into the dick. But I’m not sure that’s a useful pursuit.

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          How is matching speeds to merge and finding a space an edge case? That is how merging works.

          Not matching speeds is how people going slower than the flow of traffic when merging from on ramps causes issues. Matching speeds when merging is crucial.