7000… Isn’t that number from Hamas? I’m pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks myself but taking Hamas’ numbers at face value and to propagate that number without questioning it is extremely naive.
They recently released a list of everyone who died in the last few weeks, with names and national IDs, numbering about 6400 IIRC. I think we can believe that. They said there were 200 or so unidentified victims.
No, it isn’t. I’ve followed the death tolls day after bloody day. I didn’t even know that hamas had made any claim about the death toll.
And even the way you phrased that “pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks” is propaganda. Mass murder of civilians, depriving civilians of food water and healthcare, neither of those things is a reaction to anything. Those actions stand on their own. No one is forcing Netanyahu to kill children. He is happily doing it on his own.
On the contrary: saying that these atrocities committed by Israel were not direct reactions to the atrocities committed by Hamas is intellectually dishonest. There is no good guy in this conflict, both sides are thugs out for blood with the civilians on both sides caught in the middle. Believing anything else is falling for propaganda.
Hamas is not equal to Israel. Israel is funded by the United States, directly funded and armed by it. Israel has support from the entirety of the western world, you know all the nations that hold disproportionate military and political power across the entire globe? Hamas isn’t even a military. They’re barely a militia. They’re a group of extremist terrorists who in response to literally apartheid have managed to lob a few missiles every couple years and to your credit have committed atrocities of their own. It pales in comparison to Israel and the IDF. Death tolls over the last 30 years are incomparable. Whenever Israel decides its appropriate, tens of thousands of palestinians die. When hamas ramps up and commits their own acts of aggression a hundred or two Israelis die. They do not have the same ability. Members of hamas are also Palestinians and are also being actively deprived of human rights by the Israeli state.
You can repeat “both sides” over and over till your blue in the face. It’s not equivalent and anyone who can count can plainly see that. Anyone who bothers to read the history can plainly see that. Anyone who listens to any source other than the US government and the IDF can plainly see that. Anyone who values human life can plainly see the reality of ongoing apartheid and genocide in Israel. Palestinians are dying in droves. Israelis have been killed too, but the numbers are not and never have been even close. Note for a moment that the country is called Israel, Israel is occupying Palestine land. They’re colonizers. They always have been. That’s what happened. The allied powers after world War 2 said “the Muslim brown people in palestine don’t matter, you jews can go there and get out of Europe cause we don’t want you here”. And that’s exactly what they did. The entire time Israel has had a modern military funded by the world’s superpowers. The entire time Palestinians have been deprived of human rights. The entire time there has been no military of Palestine.
Both sides is propaganda. There is only one side. There’s only 1 army. There’s only 1 state. There’s only 1 colonizing nation. Palestinian civilians are who always dies. And it is Israel killing them. Plain and fucking simple. The Israeli state government openly hates them. How do you justify the IDF calling Palestinians “human animals”? How do you justify Netanyahu saying he wants to “turn Gaza into a desert island”? You’re defending racist genocidal maniacs. I’m not defending the actions taken by hamas. I am however rightfully pointing out that by any fucking metric Palestinians are the victims here. By number of deaths, by apartheid, by their government (Israel) confining them to an enclave and depriving them of food water and medicine. By history, by the dwindling land they own. By discrimination in employment, housing and healthcare. By living under the power of a government who openly calls for their genocide and calls them animals. By a racist dictator with one of the most powerful militaries in the world and the unwavering support of the single most powerful nation on earth.
There’s no rebuttal to that. Israel has to stop or be stopped. There is literally no argument to the contrary. Genocide is wrong. Depriving children of food and water is wrong. Bombing innocent families is wrong. Bombing hospitals and shelters is wrong. Bombing lines of evacuees is wrong. Killing journalists and paramedics is wrong. And they’ve been doing it with impunity for the last 40 years. The reaction to 1 atrocity being committed should not be to commit a hundred thousand atrocities. It didn’t have to be. They chose this. Palestinians have no army, and they live in Israel. Israel could have chosen any other way to address this situation. 30 years ago they could have chosen, along with the US, to pursue diplomacy. But instead they said Palestinian culture was unacceptable and could never be tolerated alongside Israeli culture. They compared them with rats, and walked away from negotiations. You can thank Netanyahu for that. This was the path Israel has chosen time and time again. And they are taking full advantage of the opportunity to commit war crimes against Palestinian civilians.
7000… Isn’t that number from Hamas? I’m pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks myself but taking Hamas’ numbers at face value and to propagate that number without questioning it is extremely naive.
They recently released a list of everyone who died in the last few weeks, with names and national IDs, numbering about 6400 IIRC. I think we can believe that. They said there were 200 or so unidentified victims.
No, it isn’t. I’ve followed the death tolls day after bloody day. I didn’t even know that hamas had made any claim about the death toll.
And even the way you phrased that “pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks” is propaganda. Mass murder of civilians, depriving civilians of food water and healthcare, neither of those things is a reaction to anything. Those actions stand on their own. No one is forcing Netanyahu to kill children. He is happily doing it on his own.
On the contrary: saying that these atrocities committed by Israel were not direct reactions to the atrocities committed by Hamas is intellectually dishonest. There is no good guy in this conflict, both sides are thugs out for blood with the civilians on both sides caught in the middle. Believing anything else is falling for propaganda.
Hamas is not equal to Israel. Israel is funded by the United States, directly funded and armed by it. Israel has support from the entirety of the western world, you know all the nations that hold disproportionate military and political power across the entire globe? Hamas isn’t even a military. They’re barely a militia. They’re a group of extremist terrorists who in response to literally apartheid have managed to lob a few missiles every couple years and to your credit have committed atrocities of their own. It pales in comparison to Israel and the IDF. Death tolls over the last 30 years are incomparable. Whenever Israel decides its appropriate, tens of thousands of palestinians die. When hamas ramps up and commits their own acts of aggression a hundred or two Israelis die. They do not have the same ability. Members of hamas are also Palestinians and are also being actively deprived of human rights by the Israeli state.
You can repeat “both sides” over and over till your blue in the face. It’s not equivalent and anyone who can count can plainly see that. Anyone who bothers to read the history can plainly see that. Anyone who listens to any source other than the US government and the IDF can plainly see that. Anyone who values human life can plainly see the reality of ongoing apartheid and genocide in Israel. Palestinians are dying in droves. Israelis have been killed too, but the numbers are not and never have been even close. Note for a moment that the country is called Israel, Israel is occupying Palestine land. They’re colonizers. They always have been. That’s what happened. The allied powers after world War 2 said “the Muslim brown people in palestine don’t matter, you jews can go there and get out of Europe cause we don’t want you here”. And that’s exactly what they did. The entire time Israel has had a modern military funded by the world’s superpowers. The entire time Palestinians have been deprived of human rights. The entire time there has been no military of Palestine.
Both sides is propaganda. There is only one side. There’s only 1 army. There’s only 1 state. There’s only 1 colonizing nation. Palestinian civilians are who always dies. And it is Israel killing them. Plain and fucking simple. The Israeli state government openly hates them. How do you justify the IDF calling Palestinians “human animals”? How do you justify Netanyahu saying he wants to “turn Gaza into a desert island”? You’re defending racist genocidal maniacs. I’m not defending the actions taken by hamas. I am however rightfully pointing out that by any fucking metric Palestinians are the victims here. By number of deaths, by apartheid, by their government (Israel) confining them to an enclave and depriving them of food water and medicine. By history, by the dwindling land they own. By discrimination in employment, housing and healthcare. By living under the power of a government who openly calls for their genocide and calls them animals. By a racist dictator with one of the most powerful militaries in the world and the unwavering support of the single most powerful nation on earth.
There’s no rebuttal to that. Israel has to stop or be stopped. There is literally no argument to the contrary. Genocide is wrong. Depriving children of food and water is wrong. Bombing innocent families is wrong. Bombing hospitals and shelters is wrong. Bombing lines of evacuees is wrong. Killing journalists and paramedics is wrong. And they’ve been doing it with impunity for the last 40 years. The reaction to 1 atrocity being committed should not be to commit a hundred thousand atrocities. It didn’t have to be. They chose this. Palestinians have no army, and they live in Israel. Israel could have chosen any other way to address this situation. 30 years ago they could have chosen, along with the US, to pursue diplomacy. But instead they said Palestinian culture was unacceptable and could never be tolerated alongside Israeli culture. They compared them with rats, and walked away from negotiations. You can thank Netanyahu for that. This was the path Israel has chosen time and time again. And they are taking full advantage of the opportunity to commit war crimes against Palestinian civilians.