Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
Gaza was given to Arabs for self rule and determination in 2005, all Jews left Gaza, even Jewish graveyards were dug up and moved, it was theirs to do with as they liked.
They’ve spent the last 18 years making into a terrorist Disneyland with a dozen Islamofascist terrorist organizations with the stated goal of killing Jews and destroying the state of Israel, they’ve fired hundreds of thousands of missiles into Israel indiscriminately targeting civilians, and launched countless cross borders attacks against Jewish civilians, including one that caused the largest loss of Jewish life in any single day, anywhere, since the Holocaust on October 7th.
They were given Gaza to live in freedom and self determination, they used it to kill Jews. They were warned. They chose to ignore the warnings.
These acts of terrorism were perpetrated by the entire Gazan community, they voted for Hamas, and allowed Hamas to rule their government for the last 17 years, there has been no uprising in Gaza, there have only been attacks on Israel. This is what Gazans have supported and sacrificed for in every way they possibly could.
And now it’s here. I do hope they enjoy what they’ve worked generationaly to achieve.
How does it feel, looking at the world from only one side?
how does it feel to not have anything to say in response to a well-thought-out point, but be incapable of leaving it alone, so you just have to say “boo, you’re on the other side as me!” and leave a downvote.
I’m saying that the post lacks all nuance
Holy shit Dan. Yeah, downpunxx, the account that copies and pastes genocidal screeds all over the fediverse has a well thought out point not worth refuting. Dude. WTF.
“THeY wEre GiVEn GAZa” how are you going to give someone their own land? You lunatics screeching like literal wife beaters that these people had it coming have made the entirety of all of this look so much worse than just the inexcusable genocide that it already is.
Imagine going into someone’s houses, beating the shut out of them daily, and giving them the garage to live in and complaining that they’re not greatlful and haven’t turned the garage into an amazing new place to live.
I’m not any more pro-Hamas than anyone else, but cmon man. Do you really feel as if your individual actions have been able to substantively alter the direction of your own country, in your lifetime?
Palestinians are living in an authoritarian regime. Most are probably brainwashed from near birth. Those that aren’t, or that resist it, aren’t given many avenues for change. In our delightful western democracies we may be given the right to peaceful protest - what do you think happens to people who protest Hamas, in Gaza? because I’m betting it’s not a winning strategy for a long, rewarding existence.
the lucky Palestinians get out, but from what I understand, there are basically no avenues by which they can do so. Does that justify murdering them en masse?
I’m with you on this, I feel bad for what I suspect is a majority of Gazans who fear Hamas too much to speak up against them. That’s the biggest issue with OP’s argument.
But Israel isn’t targeting them. Israel is doing everything it can to warn them of the exact buildings it’s targeting, and Hamas is doing everything it can to keep them in the warzones and in the buildings, because it wants them to die, it wants them to be “martyrs” Its leaders have made this clear in many interviews. They talk about how they have six kids in the hopes that three of them die.
War is hell. Nobody is taking this lightly. There will be civilian casualties. That’s a terrible thing. Allowing Hamas to continue its control and its rampage is worse.
Allowing them to continue to oppress Palestinians, target Israeli civilians, fire rockets (more rockets have landed in Gaza than in Israel!)… They dig up water pipes to turn into rockets. They steal fuel from power plants that could be used to power hospitals and desalination plants. They set up their bases and fire rockets from schools, hospitals, mosques, and residences. They are demanding war. Their founding charter entirely rejects any kind of peace at all. It’s not an accident.
I feel like this is supposed to shift attention from the blockade of humanitarian aide. Yeah… no. Let these people trapped there at least have a last meal before they’re killed by killed by an air strike or tank or helicopter or settlers doing ethnic cleansing or troops or…
If Hamas had operated strictly & solely against Israeli military units & installations on 10/7/23 and left civilians the hell alone, we wouldn’t have to be here.
Hamas has never focused on military targets. Their founding charter specifically calls for the death of all Jews worldwide and forbids any conception of peace.
How many civilians are you personally comfortable with dying, past those already dead. No “they’re in the way” bullshit. Give your conscience a number.
Comfortable with? Zero. None of this is comfortable. Nobody is happy right now. It’s not like 10/7, when people went around rejoicing in Jewish suffering—now that the war is on, everybody is upset.
I’ve yet to hear a serious alternative.
War is shitty, that’s why it’s used as a final option
Because as we know, cowardly Hamas terrorists only use civilians as shields. Hamas are scum.
