“as fears grow over rising Islamophobia”
Who exactly fears rising Islamophobia? And given the behavior of the “pro Palestine” people i think they can be glad to not be deported the same day they paint stars of David on the doors of Jews…
We should fear the Islamists being as antisemitic as the Nazis.
How about having people on the train and in restaurants demand you to stand up and make space for them to sit?
How about school children in a holiday camp having to flee under police protection in the middle of the night because the local nazi youth tried to raid their camp?
How about terrorists murdering them openly in the street?
How about having your right to demonstrate be taken away and you being threatend with deportation if you voice your opinion publicly. Especially with deportation to countries like Syria where as a refugee who fled to Europe you can expect to be tortured, murdered and dissappeared.
All of these are the reality muslim people in countries like Germany, or people who are deemed to be muslims, which also affects arabic or arabic looking jews.
The people most happy right now are the local Nazis, who would murder both muslims and jews if they could and are happy to fuel the fire.
So in propping up the islamophobia and peddling to both the Nazis and to Israel in fear of being considered antisemitic, the politics in Germany and similiar countries are also propping up antisemitism.
That is also the reality of many women in muslim countries. Whats your point?
So murdering people is okay to you because other people do it? You are fucked in the head.
Yes? That is literally how war works. We kill you because you kill us otherwise. Are you also saying that Ukraine is the bad guys because they kill russians?
self defence in war against enemy fighters is very different from heinously killing someone without any actual danger to yourself.
in the same wake killing a fighting soldier in a war is legitimate. killing a surrendering soldier is a war crime.
It shouldnt be a surprise that yes, an intolerant society that doesnt even tolerate its own people isnt tolerated elsewhere much.
And by being accepting of women being harassed in the streets for not adhering to western clothing, for people being murdered at random while running their shops and paying taxes you show a great deal if a tolerant society…
The amount of projection and hipocricsy that runs through European racists like you is truly mindboggling.
We should fear the Islamists being as antisemitic as the Nazis.
Yes.
Who exactly fears rising Islamophobia?
Muslims that are not Islamists. And honestly everyone that likes a free society should fear rising hate against groups of people.
I realize I’m binging a bunch of down votes on myself with the following text, that’s ok because I’m still trying to form an opinion on this topic for me.
I always was under the impression that Antisemitism is when someone is against Jews because they’re Jews, basically like racism but against specifically Jews. But lately I see the word Antisemitism used very lightly basically if someone is dissatisfied with the actions of the state Israel then they are called Antisemitic.
Perhaps I was misunderstanding the word, so I checked the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism and there it’s not super clear either, but then I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism it appears that I indeed was wrong and that New-Antisemitism seems to be any criticism of the Israeli government.
In this case I’m with the critics which say:
Critics of the concept argue that it is used in practice to silence political debate and freedom of speech regarding the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict and that it trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, by conflating political anti-Zionism and criticism of the Israeli government with racism, condoning violence against Jews, or the Holocaust. Further critical arguments include the inclusion of race within legitimate criticism of Israel to be too narrow.
When it comes to racism it’s pretty clear that if you can criticize someone for what they do without being racist, but not criticize them for what they are, because then you’re racist. On the other hand somehow criticizing a government for their actions which just so happens to be a government which governs a lot of Jews seems to be automatic antisemitism, even though the same criticism applied on other governments seems to not be seen as problematic.
On top of the whole thing I’m also German and in Germany this phenomenon seems to be much more extrem compared to other countries. I understand that this is because of the German guilt.
An anti-Semite is not a person that doesn’t like Jews, it’s a person whom Jews don’t like 😉
If I’m not mistaken, Palestinians are also considered Semites. That would make Israelis… anti-Semites?
Both of the things you said are bullshit.
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Anti-semitism (anti-jewish racism) is real. To claim otherwise is to deny a whole history of atrocities, as well as ongoing phenomena. Random Jewish people even completely unrelated to anything to do with Israel are attacked all the time. Neofascists are using clear antisemitic tropes and dogwhistles, even when they are not straight up talking about Jewish space lasers putting fires in California.
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Anti-semitism is the prejudice, systemic and personal, against Jews. While etymology sometimes can clarify nuances in meaning, it is not necessarily semantically meaningful. The word “semitic” is either an entirely linguistic one (semitic languages), i.e., narrowly technical in a scientific field, or it makes reference to outdated pseudo scientific racist theories, in a list that includes things like the Aryan race and the Mediterranean race.
Finally: bullshit like what you wrote is either perpetuated by bona fide antisemite fascists or by people who completely misguidedly think that this way they are somehow helping the Palestinian cause (they are not, in fact, they are hurting it).
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My guy they are quite the textbook example of antisemites https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
I just wonder what part of my text made you think I’m talking about Hamas.
"I always was under the impression that Antisemitism is when someone is against Jews because they’re Jews, basically like racism but against specifically Jews. But lately I see the word Antisemitism used very lightly ". What else was that supposed to mean?
"I always was under the impression that Antisemitism is when someone is against Jews because they’re Jews, basically like racism but against specifically Jews. But lately I see the word Antisemitism used very lightly ". What else was that supposed to mean?
But lately I see the word Antisemitism used very lightly basically if someone is dissatisfied with the actions of the state Israel then they are called Antisemitic.
Not OP but: I mean if you bothered to read the sentence you quoted to the end you’d have your question answered
And what is that supposed to mean? Hamas is antisemitic. The place where he sees people using the word antisemite is the same place where the Hamas is being called out.
The place where he sees people using the word antisemite is the same place where the Hamas is being called out.
No. This is your assumption from your limited bubble. In his limited bubble there might be people calling legitimate israel critique antisemitic. You just hopped in this thread and claimed they were talking about Hamas apologetics.
I’ve been banned from the /de Subreddit for pointing that out as well.
New antisemitism is not antisemitism. New -ism often means -ism on steroids.
Germany is prone to dogmatism. There is a culture of putting things in boxes of right or wrong and then signaling it. Besides, skipping to judgement is easier than trying to unravel complications and risking being questioned in a hot seat. Spirit of being risk-averse.
ADL lost a lot of credibility after saying that the overwhelming majority of the Jewish community supports Palestinian genocide.
Which genocide?
Good. One day they’ll realize Zionists are hiding their violence behind their religion.
