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Every country commissions these stratagram documents for different scenarios. It’s not surprising that Israeli government does the same. These documents are usually held quite secret, because they’re inflammatory, they go through many different scenarios, many of which are politically unpalatable.
What’s really interesting, is that this document was released now. Almost like it’s socializing the concept, testing the waters before the plan is committed with its allies.
And of that document option c appears to be being implemented right now in front of us.
Is the document genuine? Probably, I’ve seen sources from Canada Israel and other parties saying the document has been acknowledged by their sources.
Is the document itself a cause for concern? No.
Are the actions we’re seeing in real time, and the timing of the release of the document concerning? Very much so.
Everything hinges on Egypt’s cooperation. And I don’t know how Israel is going to compel that.
Is the document itself a cause for concern? No.
I disagree, heavily.
Every country commissions these stratagram documents for different scenarios.
But this document is an official israeli government document discussing something that is not just ’ politically unpalatable’. It is describing and discussing a literal warcrime: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule129
So
Is the document itself a cause for concern?
Is a solid fuckin yes. That, in itself, is already the story. The israeli government internally creates scenarios to commit warcrimes. But that israeli government officials openly advocate for warcrimes or genocidal actions is even worse, because it means they really want to do that, and only strong outside pressure from their western allies might prevent this.
I agree with your point.
So I don’t want us to get stuck down in the semantic weeds, but I promise you every government has strategic documents going through different scenarios, including the usefulness of war crimes to achieve goals.
but I promise you every government has strategic documents going through different scenarios, including the usefulness of war crimes to achieve goals.
I disagree here. I cannot prove it, but I can give you my honest informed opinion: I know that there are governments that do not stoop to that level. Sometimes, a country gets a government that does this, but then it gets another government that is more civilized and moral and scraps all this.
There are governments and people leading these governments that are actually committed to not do these things.
I disagree here. I cannot prove it, but I can give you my honest informed opinion: I know that there are governments that do not stoop to that level.
Based on what?
Based on ‘I’m a military government official of my country’.
Maybe we’re watching a constructed drama unfold in real time?
Bombings for a couple weeks, escalate the humanitarian situation, have Egypt come in saying oh we’ll take care of the refugees. But make them look reluctant about it. Even though they’re getting some compensation on the other side. Then open the border while continuing the bombing. To get as many civilians to run out of the territory as quickly as possible.
Could be
Bombings for a couple weeks, escalate the humanitarian situation, have Egypt come in saying oh we’ll take care of the refugees. But make them look reluctant about it. Even though they’re getting some compensation on the other side. Then open the border while continuing the bombing. To get as many civilians to run out of the territory as quickly as possible.
That’s literally what former IDF general Giora Eiland is calling for in his op-ed: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sju3uabba
Israel issued a stern warning to Egypt and made it clear that it would not permit humanitarian aid from Egypt to enter Gaza. Israel needs to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf.
It’s still a warcrime, though: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule129
And the conditions he wants to create are enough that one might consider them genocidal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
Israel is in Asia and not in Europe.
Egypt is not going to allow this. The simple fact of the matter is that Hamaz is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, which are openly hostile to the current Egyptian government. So the killing is going to continue.
“population transfer” Is a very strong euphemism for genocide and mass displacement.
Yeah. For those who don’t know that we have defined these things: mass displacement is a literal warcrime https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule129
And the conditions that seek to create this mass displacement can be considered genocidal.
MSNBC journalist Mehdi Hasan has covered israeli government and military officials genocidal statements in his show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u6-BymtuZI&t=7m56s
And I have verified those statements (because some people want to pretend they were never said): This right-wing extremist israeli government is dedicated to expelling or killing all those civilians and taking their land.
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That’s why the Israeli government on the official Twiter account of the Knesset says that they are fighting ‘human animals’ (נלחמים בחיות אדם)
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That’s why the Israeli minster of heritage is posting on his Facebook account that he wants to ‘blow up and flatten everything’ in Gaza and give the land to the ‘israeli fighters’.
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That’s why the israeli Likud MP Tally Gotliv is posting on her Twitter account that she wants to use the ‘Jericho’-missiles (israels nuclear missiles) on Gaza, eradicating it with this ‘doomsday weapon’ (“נשק יום הדין”)
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This is why Giora Eiland, a former IDF general, writes in his english op-ed on ynet that
Israel needs to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf.
They are so openly and brazenly calling for war crimes and genocidal actions, like holy fuck. And unlike Hamas, they do have the means to achieve what they are calling for.
Oh and just in:
That’s the kind of stuff Putin did (and does) before he invaded Ukraine (doesn’t matter if you count 2014 or 2022, he did it every time).
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The Endlösung of the Palestinian question.
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This is a continuation of the ethnic cleansing that Israel has carried out for the past 70 years. No big surprise.
Israel has roughly 2.000.000 Arabian citizens. They descent from 156.000 Arabs who stayed in Israel after 1948. This must be the least successful ethnic cleansing of all time!
Away with your logic, here we are convinced that Israel is literally Hitler.
You may want to look up what a genocide is. It definitely does not require the complete extermination of a people, even by the self serving UN definition.
Well given that there were 700000 Arabs who had to flee out of fear of getting murdered (or because they were directly ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors), I’d say they were pretty successful.
Yes, you can cleanse minorities outside of your country while not harming another minority at home. Glad that we got that covered.
Theoretically sure, but the discrepancy makes it problematic to speak of of ethnic cleansing in this case. If you steal land for the purpose of getting land, you’re probably still committing a crime, but it’s not ethnic cleansing because the intend is something different. E.g. greed or the desire to ensure your safety by holding a strategic position (that’s why Israel took the Golan heights).
And the population of the Uyghurs was rapidly on the rise until just a few years ago - especially compared to the Han-Chinese population. That is not an ethnic cleansing as well then, right?
What an idiotic comment. It’s like saying the Armenian genocide didn’t happen because there are more Armenians now than before.
The US media will ignore this blatant call for ethnic cleansing and paint Israel as the good guys in this. The mask has come off the West’s colonialist support for this racist apartheid state.
It’s been off
