• Graylitic@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago
    1. Needs clarification, lol. Worker councils are made up of the workers themselves in local areas. Do you think that because Capitalists only care about profit, that they let people starve? You’re continuing to prove a lack of understanding of the subject matter.

    2. Regulated Capitalism is right wing, no matter how light or heavy, because Capitalism is right wing.

    3. Sure, you will have liberal democracy until a Capitalist convinces a bunch or scared people they need control and slowly take over everything. Congrats, you have Nazi Germany, Batista’s Cuba, Mussolini’s Italy… and other Capitalist Dictatorships.

    This is a nothingpoint. Communism is global.

    1. Citation needed. Capitalist economies plan all the time, lmao.

    2. Worker Cooperatives are Socialism, not Capitalism, even if they compete with Capitalist entities.

    3. Worker Cooperatives are not Capitalist, even if they can exist in market economies.

    Read Marx, you clearly haven’t because all of your points can be easily debunked by reading Marx. I haven’t needed to write walls of text for every point because all of your points have been easily debunked.

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      You have yet to debunk a single thing, all you’ve done is regurgitate propaganda.

      Do you think that because Capitalists only care about profit, that they let people starve?

      I think capitalists would let literally everyone starve if they didn’t need the labor. But the system is self correcting, if food is in demand, then people see the opportunity and meet the demand. Because under capitalism people will always fill a void with their own desire to make a profit. You still have not given a single reason why workers councils would raise to that level of agility.

      Regulated Capitalism is right wing, no matter how light or heavy, because Capitalism is right wing.

      Right wing is political, capitalism is economic. Again, I repeat, you don’t get to define words, society as a whole has a mutual understanding of what words mean. Right-wing is an inherently political determination, not an economic system. Within that system people who are right-wing tend to be anti-communist, and to that extent you’re right I am anti-“pure communism” at least. Because I think it’s impossible. But that doesn’t make me right wing, it’s like saying Greg wears a blue hat and Greg is a jerk therefor all people in blue hats are jerks, it’s an enormous logic leap.

      Communism is global.

      It’s global but decentralized, you still need to address the glaring flaws of a power vacuum. At no point in human history has a power vacuum not been filled with power. You’re asking me to trust on faith that suddenly humans would stop being human.

      Citation needed. Capitalist economies plan all the time, lmao.

      You seem to have entirely missed my point.

      Worker Cooperatives are Socialism, not Capitalism, even if they compete with Capitalist entities. Worker Cooperatives are not Capitalist, even if they can exist in market economies.

      Yes that was my point, I’m glad to see you are finally listening. You were claiming that they can’t exist at the same time, while in fact the most certainly can and do.

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        10 months ago

        What propaganda?

        As for your points against worker councils, why would they let themselves starve? Do you misunderstand what a Worker council even is? Do you think it’s just a group of people at the very top of a system, like an oligarchy? Why do you think the word worker is the descriptive factor?

        Capitalism is right wing, Socialism is left wing.

        How is there a power vacuum? How do people amass tanks in global Communism to fight the rest of the globe?

        The co-ops do not exist within the same space as Capitalism. You cannot have 100% Capitalism and 100% Socialism, they are mutually exclusive.

        Please, for the love of everything, read Marx.