The US supreme court will hear oral arguments on Tuesday in a case which gun and domestic violence prevention groups are warning could be a matter of life and death for thousands of abuse victims and their families.

Tuesday’s hearing on United States v Rahimi is seen as one of the most consequential cases with which the nine justices will grapple this term. At stake is how far the new hard-right supermajority of the court will go in unraveling the US’s already lax gun laws, even as the country reels from a spate of devastating mass shootings.

Also at stake, say experts, are the lives of thousands of Americans, overwhelmingly women, threatened with gun violence at the hands of their current or former intimate partners.

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    11 months ago

    Well, the regressive judges have always maintained that they love violence against women so, I see them leaning into the 2A nonsense.

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    11 months ago

    Someone should also mention that anyone convicted of domestic violence should also not be in possession of any guns that are issued by an employer since I’m certain those folks would argue they don’t “own” the gun.

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    11 months ago

    What a terribly biased headline and summary. This is not about those who have done wrong, just those ACCUSED of wrong doing. We have no idea if they are guilty, just that someone accused them. In the US we normally say innocent until proven guilty,.and here is one of the most common ways someone innocent is accused.

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      11 months ago

      I know what your saying but the person in question in this case should 100% not have a gun and way involved in domestic violence with a gun. And multiple accounts of gun violence after the domestic abuse order was issued.

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      11 months ago

      Not all accusations are equal. It’s not like I could have a random stranger’s guns taken away by accusing them of domestic violence.

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        11 months ago

        Depending on the red flag laws in your state (if any)… Yeah, you could. They might get them back fairly quickly–a few weeks to a few months–but you still could have them taken. Just like you can get someone shot by SWATting them, even though that shouldn’t happen.

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      11 months ago

      Owning a gun is not an essential right. Food, water, shelter, dignity, an attorney - these are essential. Guns are not. Taking something non-essential, a privilege, away to protect someone’s life, especially if it’s a temporary measure, is not impeding upon anyone’s rights. The 2nd ammendment is massively outdated. You don’t need a gun to live. It is not a human right to carry a firearm.

      Whether or not this is your intention, your comment sounds rather misogynistic. More often than what you’re describing, abuse victims, generally female, are scared into silence. Women get murdered by their intimate partners at an alarming rate.

      I implore you to tap into your powers of empathy and do some research. This is really happening.

      https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offender-relationship-2021

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      Seriously? Biased…against people who have a clearly defined motive to use a gun for murder. I don’t see the problem.

      The fact that you are taking the side of people who have no problem using violence to get their way, however, is extremely disturbing.

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          Ok. Some do. But, who cares about the victims I guess? I mean, some won’t shoot anybody, so that makes everything ok. Totally balances out with other people getting murdered. Wow, how did we not think of this before!?

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              11 months ago

              Ok, umm, guess now we can kill even more people, and it’s all gonna balance out? Weeee.

              We get it; what you really support is making sure that those you consider to be less than you can be murdered as easy as possible. Truly an admirable quality!

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      11 months ago

      Yeah, and they’ll probably side when the accused abuser, even though they didn’t give a single fuck when it was people accused of nebulous terrorism ties not being able to fly.

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    11 months ago

    Inaccurate headline.

    SCOTUS will hear a case about whether people accused of domestic abuse–but not convicted of any offense–and subject to a protection order are permitted to own firearms.

    Why does that matter?

    The evidentiary bar is much, much lower to get a protection order than it is to convict a person of a domestic violence offense, including misdemeanor domestic violence offenses. Because it’s not a criminal proceeding, and because the stakes are generally much lower for the accused, it can be considerably easier to get a protection order from a judge than it is to get a criminal conviction of any offense.

    That’s not a good basis for eliminating rights.

    If you want to take the guns from domestic abusers, then for fucks’ sake, prosecute them. Even a misdemeanor conviction is sufficient to bar someone from owning firearms for life, or until the conviction is vacated.

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    11 months ago

    Incoming “We are completely impartial and not beholden to political parties or outside influence.” from the big three bois on the bench.