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Who wants to tell him?
That McDonald’s takes more skill than boxes?
Guys desperate to put himself above another, with the delusion of throwing shit in a box being skilled labor, instead of standing in solidarity with the mcdonalds worker and demanding more for both of them
If he thinks packing boxes is skilled labor, then flipping burgers is also skilled labor.
It’s just not specialized, and doesn’t require any certification or further education. Which would command the premium he’s thinking of.
All labor is skilled labor. Can you think of any job that doesn’t require learning some sort of skill(s)? It’s just an arbitrary designation intended to justify low wages.
I’m highly educated but you couldn’t just stick me into a traditionally “unskilled” roles for which I have neither experience nor training and expect me to function. I’d crash and burn because jobs require the development and utilization of… wait for it…skills.
Fry cook or box packer. He upset he picked a harder job?
Ehh. Both have their challenges. I think it’s difficult to say.
What I’m fairly sure of, is that he thinks he’s worth more than a fry cook.
He’s not upset that the fry cook world be making more, he’s upset that he would no longer be making more than a fry cook.
The problem of him thinking his job is more skilled than a fry cook, is entirely another issue that I’m not going to get into.
I’m confused, does he actually think a box packer is skilled labor or is this just a whoosh from the girl.
I think this is an example of how much the upper crust has done to divide the main ingredients.
All Labor is Skilled Labor.
Ask Bezos to work in one of his own warehouses. Ask him to flip burgers. See how long he lasts before he is asked to leave.
Nah nah I agree my guy, but your getting caught up on the social definition. The guy who made the statement, legitimately thinks it takes significantly more skill to pack a box than to flip a burger. Like his definition of unskilled labor just unapologetically includes everyone below him, and all he does is pack fucking boxes. It’s GOTTA be satire.
Warehouse fulfillment is skilled labor. Fast food work is skilled labor. I’m having a hard time thinking of an example of a truly unskilled labor job.
The only one I can think of is the guy that carries the nitroglycerin into the train tunnel when they’re digging it.
It’s so unskilled that if you mess up, you die and don’t even learn a lesson. The job is literally walk without splashing this liquid.
This job doesn’t exist anymore. Human rights and all, but a lot of train tunnels are coated in the blood of “unskilled labor”.
It’s not and you know it. “Skilled labor” means you have copious amounts of knowledge that directly apply to a specific job.
Anyone can learn to work at McDonald’s in an afternoon, and the people who work there would tell you the same.
You’re gonna tell me catching a stray cat, butchering it correctly and making mincemeat that tastes no different from cow to average customer doesn’t require copous amountso of knowledge?
Don’t get me started on making a dead rat look like a KFC chicken nugget.
Not sure what kind of analogy you’re trying to make here but all the meat processing happens before it ever gets to the “restaurant”.
No it doesn’t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kn9EpGqrOE
Walmart door greeter, maybe?
Yep most of the time they just stand there they just watch you walk by. To be fair lots of assholes on this side of town.
Skilled labor is economists jargon, so the meaning of it does not match the dictionary definition.
No one is saying there is literally no skill involved in unskilled labor.
Skilled labor = real human deserving of a fair wage.
Unskilled labor = meat machine that we need to pay by law, but we gladly wouldn’t pay them a dime if we could get away with it because they aren’t real people.
-Asshat Owners
Technically skilled as in requiring education (financed by the state), unskilled can learn on the job within days.
But politics has a way with twisting those words into a us/them dichotomy.
For me it’s not really an us/them opposition, my disgust is with how unskilled laborers are viewed/treated because of our lack of education. That somehow makes us subhuman and undeserving of a living wage. That we should be thankful for a minimum wage.
I have no issue with skilled laborers, I have an issue with owners/CEO/etc… us laborers of all skills are in the same boat. Best friend works for Intel, Intel makes tons of money, friend gets pay cut and added responsibility. ¿Que?
The problem lies in the fact that we need to categorise these subjects to write more effective policy. And it doesn’t matter what words you use, they always get these connotations as familiarity grows.
All skilled labor can be represented by the unskilled labor required to recreate it, ie training.
I rather a dude handling my food get paid better than someone touching cardboard.
No balls ony food is preferred over no balls on my Amazon packages.
But what if we could have both?
Think of the shareholders!
Lol at calling packing boxes skilled labour
That is way easier than working at McDonald’s
It’s really helps the system when our capitalist overlords give us someone to look down on though. People who get sucked in by the propaganda will fight when some is trying to take that from them.
I’ve never worked in fast food but I’ve been to them and I’ve watched the workers. You can’t tell me packing boxes at Amazon is skilled labor and that shit isn’t.
Way to get played by the big man. Making you fight amongst yourselves.
Also, I’m not entirely sure that putting an item that a machine gives you into a box that the machine tells you to put it in requires more skill than working at McDonald’s.
I don’t really feel great about making fun of the skill needed for low paid jobs. I’m sure it’s not as easy as it sounds.
Every job is easy and that’s why he wants someone else to do it instead of doing it himself.
I worked at BK in a dark time of my life. It was physically and mentally demanding. You had to memorize the order of every ingredient of every burger and assemble them in the least possible time and there were themed burgers or some shit so you had to re-learn from time to time. Wasn’t exactly un-demanding mentally. From time to time I had to re-arrange big packages in the cold storage for hours. Fun times. Very hectic and demanding job.
If it cost less to use machines to pack those boxes, you know they would be using machines and not people.
one of the issues with using robots to pack boxes is you can only assign 1 robot to one product. You can’t use the same robot to pack potato chips and boxes of cat litter. It’ll either crush the chips or not be able to pick up the box.
Same if the same SKU has two different packaging options: bag and box.
They already have, IIRC, 2 warehouses that are entirely robotic (they are testing facilities for a full robotic workforce) except for the humans that perform maintenance on said robots. They have the means to generalize the packing robots. But it’s more expensive than a person still, as well as there still being some bugs in their specific system.
understood, but that does require further cooperation higher up the supply chain. It’s harder to change suppliers or shipping lanes I imagine.
Why would they have to change anything about suppliers or shipping lanes? It’s the same products being put into the same boxes, but by machines and not human hands. 🤨
Skilled labour != Valueable labour
I have a ton of useless skills.
It’s not “skilled” labor.
You need zero skills to work at Amazon.
That being said, you will learn things if you stay long enough.
Skilled labor is like a trade or where you need a specific education. I’m not even sure you need a HS diploma to work at Amazon.
Source: me, working in an Amazon FC
But yes the point of her reply is also very apt. Class solidarity friends. If you’re single making <55k or whatever the median income in your area is, there’s not a whole hella lotta difference regardless.
But I’ll also say this. There’s a lot of mfers that do MUCH less work at desk jobs, and in fact are entirely redundant and unnecessary, compared to a fry cook or Amazon tier1 employes.
There’s no such thing as unskilled labor.
Working class fighting among each other and Rich enjoy the benefits.
I’m so over the use of “checks notes” for emphasis. for every entertaining way of making commentary there are thousands of boring copies.
For some reason it’s one of the acceptable “le Epic roleplay” sayings that people tolerate. I see it the same as the litany of other ones that aren’t, like “I put on my robe and wizard hat” or “rawrs at you” or whatever.
