The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled the referee and the VAR were correct to award Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal.
I still don’t understand this whole clear and obvious error requirement. If the ref misses something, then VAR should intervene and inform the referee to relook at the incident. If he deems his original decision correct, then we move on.
The fact that it’s an error but VAR doesn’t see it as clear and obvious and opts not to direct the ref to the monitor is so weird.
I don’t understand why they’re not simply always connected via comms like the linesman. Something dubious happens and the ref could say “can you quickly check if it’s a corner or a goal kick?” “It’s looking like a corner” “thanks mate” or “I’d need to check in detail the view I have didn’t show it too well”.
Sure, keep lengthy reviews for the important cases, but there’s zero reason to not just have the video ref be part of comms full time and able to provide his inpute from the two/three feeds he can constantly check in real time. And in this sort of situation it would be as simple as saying “there’s a elbow to the neck, did you see it properly?” and the ref can say “I had a good view of it and thought it was nothing” or “Make a full review.”
No need to stop flow of game for VAR to “evaluate”. The linesman don’t stop the flow of game to communicate a foul, they see a foul they wave their flag, the ref makes the call or not. The way it has been implemented is beyond silly.
Thank you. The ref is still (should be) the authority on the field for the flow of the game. VAR should only get involved when it’s a completely obvious mistake (ie offsides, ref completely missed a head butt). Refs do not always get it right, but VAR doesn’t either. People in this sub want the game to stop everytime there’s a potential disagreement? F that, respect the authority of the expert on the field and let them play the game.
Very little in football is objective. If the ref gives a yellow for something and VAR thinks it’s midway between yellow and red, should the ref look at it?
What I don’t think most people understand is how shit VAR is in the stadium. You’re sitting there in the cold with no idea what’s going on for minutes on end. On Monday it completely ruined the flow of the game (and potentially the time they spent standing around in the cold cost Micky Van de Ven his hamstring). It’s OK at home when you have the commentators telling you what VAR is doing and you can see the replays. But in the stadium there’s just a screen that says “VAR check: penalty” and then nothing for 3 minutes.
It is because I don’t know if ya’ll remember but when VAR started, we had a fuck ton of people here complaining about how long it took and saying it should only show obvious errors.
I still don’t understand this whole clear and obvious error requirement. If the ref misses something, then VAR should intervene and inform the referee to relook at the incident. If he deems his original decision correct, then we move on.
The fact that it’s an error but VAR doesn’t see it as clear and obvious and opts not to direct the ref to the monitor is so weird.
Should this have been a red then
no foul given
It’s so they don’t call the ref over to review every little foul or incident and keep the game flowing.
I don’t understand why they’re not simply always connected via comms like the linesman. Something dubious happens and the ref could say “can you quickly check if it’s a corner or a goal kick?” “It’s looking like a corner” “thanks mate” or “I’d need to check in detail the view I have didn’t show it too well”.
Sure, keep lengthy reviews for the important cases, but there’s zero reason to not just have the video ref be part of comms full time and able to provide his inpute from the two/three feeds he can constantly check in real time. And in this sort of situation it would be as simple as saying “there’s a elbow to the neck, did you see it properly?” and the ref can say “I had a good view of it and thought it was nothing” or “Make a full review.”
No need to stop flow of game for VAR to “evaluate”. The linesman don’t stop the flow of game to communicate a foul, they see a foul they wave their flag, the ref makes the call or not. The way it has been implemented is beyond silly.
Thank you. The ref is still (should be) the authority on the field for the flow of the game. VAR should only get involved when it’s a completely obvious mistake (ie offsides, ref completely missed a head butt). Refs do not always get it right, but VAR doesn’t either. People in this sub want the game to stop everytime there’s a potential disagreement? F that, respect the authority of the expert on the field and let them play the game.
Very little in football is objective. If the ref gives a yellow for something and VAR thinks it’s midway between yellow and red, should the ref look at it?
What I don’t think most people understand is how shit VAR is in the stadium. You’re sitting there in the cold with no idea what’s going on for minutes on end. On Monday it completely ruined the flow of the game (and potentially the time they spent standing around in the cold cost Micky Van de Ven his hamstring). It’s OK at home when you have the commentators telling you what VAR is doing and you can see the replays. But in the stadium there’s just a screen that says “VAR check: penalty” and then nothing for 3 minutes.
VAR worked perfectly well in the Bundesliga. Just like you said. Then suddenly this new requirement comes from PL which is absolutely dumb.
The only explanation for me is match fixing.
It is because I don’t know if ya’ll remember but when VAR started, we had a fuck ton of people here complaining about how long it took and saying it should only show obvious errors.
So that’s what they implemented.