This is why I’m not all that concerned in the recent polls that Biden is losing support among Progressives, who tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinians. What are they going to do, vote for Trump and his friends, who are even worse? If Trump does win, do they really think they would be listened to?
I doubt a single person in Florida who thinks that Biden and the party he leads is not taking their side on this issue would vote for this person instead.
Could just stay home. Maybe a bunch of us are tired of voting for people whose only qualifications is they aren’t the other person.
But that’s entirely my point. These people who are complaining that Biden isn’t taking their side are at risk having an administration who considers them all to be terrorists to take over if they sit this one out. I suppose they can take solace in the fact that they stuck to their principles, even if the Trump Administration sends them all to re-education camps.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.
There aren’t good options. There’s genocide lite and genocide delux.
I will not vote for genocide, and if you vote for genocide you are complicit.
Not acting is still a choice.
It’s a choice to not vote for genocide. You can tell yourself pretty lies, but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
but if you vote for Biden you are a genocide supporter.
Every time I hear this I have to do some math, play a word puzzle, or some other mental exercise to make sure I don’t catch The Stupid. If casting a vote for Biden equals support for genocide, then anything anyone in a civilized society does could be said to be the same. Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected. Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide
supporterfunder?Protest votes are for the primary; go ahead and vote for Gandhi McJesus then. The general is the team play. And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
Vote for anyone? The joke’s on you, genocide supporter, you helped a different genocide supporter get elected
You can vote for people who don’t support genocide! They exist.
Do you go to work? You failed again; You’re making someone else money so they can vote for a genocide supporter. Do you pay Taxes, you genocide supporterfunder?
We are all complicit in our own ways and we have a moral duty to rebel against our genocidal government. Good job, you just made an argument for revolution lol
And if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils you’re helping the larger evil get elected, you genocide supporter, it just lets you smugly deflect blame.
Democrats would oppose genocide if Trump was president, which actually results in harm reduction. How do you square that circle?
Purposefully withholding your vote in the general election is a selfish/narcissistic act. No matter what wordplay you engage, not giving support to the lesser of two evils leads to better outcomes for the greater of them – and pain and suffering for the most vulnerable. But you get the comfort of hugging your pristine principles**
**and La Revolución is NOT happening in time to help in any meaningful way before uncountable death and suffering – stop that BS and grow up
Voting for genocide makes you a genocide supporter. Deal with it.
No ceasefire, no votes.
Lemmings are rightly furious about these comments, but I don’t recall you all being upset about Tlaib’s tone-deaf implication that Israel should be wiped from the map.
I’m not pretending Tlaib’s comments are as bad as these, because they’re not, but I am absolutely for censuring Tlaib over them. They were totally out of line, no matter what she meant.
She called for Palestine to be free from the river to the sea. That doesn’t actually require wiping Israel off the map.
Palestine and Israel could just become a single multi-ethnic democracy so everyone gets equal rights and equal protections.
“From the river to the sea” is a phrase used by Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in the region to talk about wiping Israel out. I don’t think Tlaib was actually calling for the destruction of Israel, but her choice of phrase was absolutely moronic, and I don’t believe she ever apologized for it. That’s what I meant about her comments not being as bad as these, but still bad.
“From the river to the sea” is also a phrase used by the entire Palestinian resistance. Everyone, from peaceful protesters to violent militants, are saying the same thing- they are demanding freedom. The fact that some of them are more extreme than others is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. Even the ones that are anti-Israel aren’t calling for genocide - they want Israel abolished and all Jewish Israelis to become Palestinian.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Deal. With. It.
In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”
“All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply.
wow
The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage. … The Florida state house later voted 104-2 to reject Nixon’s resolution.
The resolution only called for a ceasefire?
On Thursday, Joe Biden said there was “no possibility” of a ceasefire.
I’m ootl on that.
The last bit you quoted about Biden is referring to statements he made about Biden asking Netanyahu about the possibility of a ceasefire and that Bibi told Biden there is none.
What are you saying? The article links to this:
Q (Inaudible) Gaza ceasefire, Mr. President?
THE PRESIDENT: Pardon me?
Q What are the chances of a Gaza ceasefire?
THE PRESIDENT: None. No possibility.
Q Any update on getting hostages out?
THE PRESIDENT: We’re still optimistic.
Q What’s the — what’s the delay on getting more hostages?
Q What’s your message to the families of the hostages in Gaza?
THE PRESIDENT: We’re not going to stop until we get them out.
Q How confident are you that you will get them out?
Q What’s been the delay?
Q Mr. President, are the retaliatory strikes working? Mr. President, are the retaliatory strikes working in the Middle East?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I mean, they’re — they’re working in the sense that we’re hitting the targets they’re seeking.
Yes, there’s no possibility because he’s asked and was tolled no possibility.
This is the correct answer. There will be no cease fire until, at minimum, the hostages are released. The other problem that the Israelis have is that there’s no evidence that Hamas has any intention of honoring a cease fire as they’ve willingly violated many such agreements in the past.
I don’t have a strong opinion as to what the correct choice is here for Israel, I’m simply stating the facts as they relate to the possibility of a cease fire.
why tf is a state legislature even wasting time on this?
they should be contacting their elected representatives in congress like anyone else.
Biden is ride-or-die for Israel, basically.
Since when is Biden the President of Israel?
Israel is the 51st state, Biden could end this war tomorrow if he wanted.
What fantasy land are you living in? Shapirostan?
What do you think would happen to Israel if Biden came out and said “we will no longer defend Israel, everybody go nuts”?
Lebanon and Iran and Qatar and Yemen and Iraq and Afghanistan and Turkey and Egypt and maybe even Russia would obliterate them. Israel is only able to exist because the US gives it unconditional support. Hence, the 51st state - an attack on Israel is an attack on the US.
Lebanon and Iran and Qatar and Yemen and Iraq and Afghanistan and Turkey and Egypt and maybe even Russia would obliterate them.
I have serious doubts as to the ability of some of these countries to be able to match up to Israel militarily, even aside from having other things to worry about at the moment - Russia in particular does not have the privilege of fighting two wars right now.
There’s also the fact that Israel is a nuclear power - they almost used their nukes in the Yom Kippur war, which is what prompted the US to actually start resupplying them. If an Arab coalition were to attack Israel now (especially with Netanyahu in power), there is zero chance that they wouldn’t actually do it this time, and everyone knows this. No one in their right mind would try and pressure Israel to that extent, and most foreign powers would be highly motivated to do whatever it took to make sure that didn’t happen.
Finally, if the US were to leave Israel alone, China would probably step right in to fill that void, and would be well-suited for it too, given that they have relatively good relations with most of the Arab nations (IIRC). So not only would the US lose a massive channel of influence in the region, they’d be allowing their largest geopolitical rival to consolidate their influence in the region as well - wouldn’t Biden be absolutely raked over the coals for that?
wouldn’t Biden be absolutely raked over the coals for that?
Ignoring all your speculation about Israel’s strength (I’m highly skeptical they could actually survive modern warfare - they have drone pilots, not infantry lol) he absolutely would. There’s a huge portion of the electorate that absolutely loves Israel and supports their genocide.
That’s not really a good reason to continue supporting them.
it’d be political suicide.
If he wasn’t, he’s be called an antisemitic jew hater for daring question the Israeli narrative. Anything less than full throated support is akin to supporting Hamas according to a very large amount of stupid and/or intellectually dishonest people.
You aren’t wrong, but he’s been ride-or-die for Israel for his entire career. He’s the most pro-Israel president we’ve ever had.
Reagan was seriously pro-Israel and started the whole US-supported Israeli military funding. source
Jen Kirby - You mentioned that the United States had a big investment in the Iron Dome. Why is that — what’s the US’s stake in this?
Jean-Loup Samaan - Well, first, historically, the US started cooperating with Israel on air defense in the 1980s. So when missile defense became a significant component of defense investment in the US, Israel was very quickly involved. There’s a history of close ties between both countries in that field. So it would seem, in a sense, natural that a consequence of that is to support something like Iron Dome.
I think it was around the end of Obama’s first term, in 2012, that the US put a stronger emphasis on Iron Dome in terms of budgeting. I believe it was probably not just the politics behind it, but also the strategic assessment that the priority is to protect and to strengthen the defense of Israel vis-à-vis these types of rockets.
Okay, so Biden is the most pro-Israel president since Reagan lol
My point stands.
Not too far of a departure from Biden’s statements about no upper limit of dead civilians or children and “None. No possiblity.” about a ceasefire.
The real crime for the Republican: aligning with Biden in rhetoric.
These people live in a bizarre, hate-filled universe.
Hope people are gathering outside her office to protest. What a piece of shit.
Wait… subject == repub == POS? Ok, nm, that checks out.
Outrage is a dime a dozen. It’s so common these days. See? I just got outraged at the outrage. It’s easy.
She seems like an idiot, but the reality is anyone with this opinion out of Israel right now kind of has the right to feel that way. Genocide never fixes problems and always creates more problems later
