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The only reason this post was isn’t downvoted to hell is bc Chelsea fans are outnumbered, they’re in denial about stuff like this lol
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What’s new? Every couple of months “new” information comes out about some financial transaction that some club made. Football is a cesspool of secret money transfers and underhanded dealings.
Call me when something concrete comes out or when a club is actually punished.
Chelsea’s success will always have an asterix next to it - if they were owned by Arabs, of course.
Don’t worry guys, I’m sure the FA, the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA, bastions of sporting integrity, will come together to tackle the corruption of the likes of Chelsea and City any day now.
AC Milan bout to get the biggest fine
People always like to point out that City ruined football, but the FA and the other authorities just letting Roman financially dope his way through success was rhe bigger alarm.
None of it matters now. They’ve reaped the benefits and any points deduction doesnt make a difference.
Chelsea walked financial doping so City could run with it.
I’m sure I read somewhere that relative to transfer fees at the time Chelsea were bankrolled more than City.
Our funds came openly and directly via the owner, there were no FFP issues to try and skirt around at the time. City are funded by fake sponsors in an attempt to bypass FFP.
Yes. Adjusted for inflation, the amount Chelsea spent under Abromovich is insane even compared to City.
I thought the issue is that when Chelsea got taken over, what they did wasn’t “against the rules”
It was technically legal when Chelsea did it, although they more than Man City or PSG (or collapsing clubs like Leeds or Portsmouth) are the reasons behind the FFP rules.
I think its pretty obvious who is old enough to remember the first few years under Abramovich compared to Man City currently by the level of fury towards Man City cheating.
Chelsea spent double or even triple what their nearest rivals did in 2005 or so. Man City outspend their rivals sure, but not by an insane amount.The real issue is that a team like City “shouldn’t be allowed to spend as much as Man U or Arsenal” which is odd IMO, I think there should be a hard salary/transfer cap to level the playing field, not a “well you were massive before we changed the rules, so you can spend X, but you weren’t as big so can only spend Y”
People can disagree with that if they like, but the fact that Chelsea themselves managed to spend way more “non football income” than Man City, become one of the “big clubs” just before the rules changed, so now are “allowed” to spend more than City, because now their “football income” is huge is just mad to me.
I think there should be a hard salary/transfer cap to level the playing field
While this would ‘level the playing field’, it would just take money from the players and give it to the owners so I don’t think this is obviously a good thing.
If you limit how much can be spent on players, that just means more money going into the owners’ pockets. It’s not like teams are going to lower prices because player salaries are lower.
We don’t know how much City spent. They’re accused of lying about it.
are “allowed” to spend more than City, because now their “football income” is huge is just mad to me.
tbh the rules aren’t really about fairness. FFP isn’t the real name anyway. It’s about stopping the problem of sugar daddies getting bored and leaving the taxpayer to pick up the pieces.
Which is why they should be forced to start over. Relegate them to the bottom of the pyramid and remove the titles won.
That is the only fitting punishment for them and city. Just complete death penalty. But they’ll never do, there is zero incentive. The fact is as long as the premier league continues to grow in popularity, people keep going to games and keep watching on tv that is consent for all of this. The message everyone is sending to the premier league is that we love cheating, we are all in favour of the league being uncompetitive and bought by city every single year. Because we keep watching it.
Chelsea FC face fresh questions over how its former owner Roman Abramovich funded the club’s success, after leaked files revealed a string of secret payments that may have breached strict football rules, including those on “financial fair play”.
Experts said the transactions, uncovered through a joint investigation by the Guardian and international partners, could lead to the Premier League imposing punishments on Chelsea, such as a deduction of points.
The files reveal a series of payments worth tens of millions of pounds over a decade, routed through offshore vehicles belonging to Abramovich. The transactions in question appear to have been for Chelsea’s benefit, raising questions about whether they were declared in accounts submitted to football’s governing bodies.
Every time I read about Roman’s financial transactions, there are new shell companies from the BVI. More shell companies than people have throwaway email/reddit accounts. He must have a dedicated guy on payroll just for naming them.
I’ve never understood the success of shell companies, just go out on the beach and pick them up.
Sad for the new owners since nobody from the Roman era is still there but I guess they didn’t do the necessary due diligence.
Hard to believe they didn’t know. Everyone knew.
Actually, it is due to Boehly this is known. After they took over, he found these transaction and reported them.
Isn’t due diligence usually done in advance of a buy? Seems kind of reckless.
You do have to question this entire piece of journalism considering it’s not telling us anything new or groundbreaking. We already know as fact that Clearlake have reported secret payments that were made under previous ownership to the Premier League months ago when going through the club’s finances. I don’t suppose Bruce Buck or Marina are around to face questioning?
I swear it’s like a new publication gets to write this exact story every couple of weeks (coincidentally the last one came during the last international break aka slow news cycle).
Next they’re going to tell us we paid Andreas Christensen’s dad as a scout or that we paid Bertrand Traore’s mum - both of which we’ve already served two transfer bans for btw.
We already know as fact that Clearlake have reported secret payments that were made under previous ownership to the Premier League months ago when going through the club’s finances.
I don’t think much of it has been leaked to the press though - this is the media doing what the should be doing.
The question is, what kind of punishments should Chelsea face? If it’s a small points deduction years later, when it ultimately doesn’t matter, then it’s not much of a deterrent to anyone else.
The only fair punishment that would also act as a deterrent, is to strip them of all their titles during this period.
Lol, that’s not a deterrent at all as that has no tangible impact on the team.
The games still happened, the players got their bonuses and new contracts, the fans got their parades and merch. Who cares if a wikipedia entry gets changed?
Bet you won’t have this opinion when city fans sing “champions of Europe, you’ll never sing that” at the Etihad
You can never take back those moments, but it’s definitely a more severe punishment than a points deduction on a season where it’s likely not going to matter that much.
Throw city and Chelsea in a league with Newcastle and PSG. That can be the true super league.
No one would miss them cunts
Add Salzburg, Girona, Leipzig, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg… there are more offenders who will gladly join this project and bring as many fans and morals as the ones above.
Leverkusen and Wolfsburg have nothing in common with the Red Bull clubs. Those two were founded by factory workers of Bayer and Wolksvagen. This is where they get their name and sponsorship from. And lots of other clubs were formed around factories, as they were meant to provide better conditions for workers before clubs went professional. PSV and Sochaux were formed around Phillips and Peugeot. Red Bull just bought clubs and pumped money into them via nefarious means. Leverkusen and Wolfsburg don’t do that and their relations to corporations are historical.
Chelsea, City, PSG, Newcastle, Barcelona, Juventus and Spurs.
Spurs haven’t been making these dodgy deals but it’d be funny
Wait you’re telling me that Chelsea’s meteoric rise to winning trophies, immediately after being acquired by a Russian oligarch who was friends with Putin, is in some way connected to ill gotten gains?
We all knew their success was bullshit, let’s hope this is the nail in the coffin that confirms it.
Arsenal fans had Usmanov owning their club for a long time and begged him to own it fully at times too so it’s always funny when they cry about Abramovich.
They can financially dope all they wish, but the players still have to perform, the manager still has to do a job. Money doesn’t buy competence or success.
Take away those titles!
I’m not sure if anything substantial will wind up happening mostly because Clearlake have been upfront with the Premier League and self reported potential infractions.
BUT if this leads to significant punishment down the line, it will taint Abramovich’s legacy as owner. He will no longer be known as strictly the serial winner who took us to a household name. It’s not my place to adjudicate nor am I naive enough to think his image was totally clean before all of this. It’s just something to ponder. Potential punishment on top of the two transfer bans we were handed? It skews the measurements.
Hey guys, I just murdered someone. I’m being upfront though, so I guess that’s fine right?
Don’t think self reporting matters does it? They can still penalise the club, dock points and put a transfer ban in place.
Is this any different than City taking ‘revenue’ from shell companies owned by their club’s owner? If nothing will be done to City for money laundering and stuff like that I doubt anything comes of this.
And despite all of this, the Premier League will keep opening its legs to any shitty human with a lot of money.
City and Chelsea duking it out for the one direct promotion spot in the national league next season.
I always like to think what would happen if a huge club dropped to the National League. It’s worse than relegation for players because the Championship is not that bad, some players jet off but some will stay to help fight back. If City or Chelsea, hypothetically were to drop down what would they do? Would Foden or James stay at their respective clubs to stat pad in the National League? Would the entire squad have a clear out and they’d use some PL2/U21 kids in the league? It’s fascinating to think about.