I have used linux for a couple of years now and it was one of the most bumpy beginnings (and ends) i ever had with software. There was little a moment that wasnt marred by some kind of problem.
I could write a book on all the problems i had encountered and some of them happen several times, but here are some highlights:
- monitors not being all recognized unless its plugged in in a VERY specific order
- monitor 2 not having the correct colors
- audio not coming out of the correct source, the default source changing when something else that can sue it is plugged in, and also changing after a restart
- gaming, proton barely EVER worked, rated gold or platinum on protondb? fuck you it wont even start for you
- wine is not much better, lutris also fucked up several times
What broke the camels back today:
I stream, on wednesday my controller stopped working so i couldnt continue to stream, an hour after i stopped? the controller started working again great right? no, today the same shit, controller doesnt work.
Linux continues to have awful roadblocks that make even the most stubborn user (me) switch back to windows for now
But ah i am not dont yet, getting support from other users is about as much a fools errand as it is for windows, just sprinkled in with a lot more brown nosing elitism. And i imagine i will get similar comments here cause lemmy has the same circlejerks reddit has.
As long as linux continues having the most mundane problems with NO solution anywhere it wont get anywhere, if it werent for steamdeck it would still hover around at below 3%
See i like linux, i like how the ui feels and all, but i just cant anymore, i want shit to actually work and linux just cant provide that yet
Fwiw, I switched to Linux a couple months back (pop_os!) and I’ve been very happy. I’ve had some minor issues (random gaming proton crashes, os freezes) and some learning experiences. Occasional fiddling with stuff seems required but not an every day thing. The benefits of Linux vastly outway the minor issues.
Sorry but if you can’t get Gold or even Platinum rated games to run then the problem is in front of the monitor.
there it is, didnt take long did ya
If you think it is elitism for me to point out the fact that you can’t get games to launch that should basically launch out of the box, then yeah. No one can help you at that point anymore. Sorry bud. With that kind of struggle you’ll fail in Windows as well, if not even more.
Enough Linux spam…
Let’s watch this guy get crucified.
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Zero awareness of what linux actually is or means.
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No clue what DE they’re using. Talks about “linux UI”.
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Clearly some borked distro problems, none of this would happen on any modern user-oriented distro.
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Blatantly consumerist attitude towards a FOSS product.
To the last one, OP, go eat shit. You can pay Apple however much they ask you, and be their happy slave, or you can keep allowing windows to push their big fat aDs down your throat. Nobody has forced you to use linux.
Oh, and the more of such garbage users like you switch back to windows, the better for us. We’re never planning to run this as s for-profit catering to every Karen’s demands. We just kick Karens out of this bar while continuing enjoying our hard liquor.
Btw, all of this reads like a copypasta from like a decade ago, which I suspect it might just be.
Personal experience:
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I run a triple monitor setup out of a Linux laptop with Nvidia. E.g. my hardware couldn’t be worse. When I replug monitors all my windows readjust to where they were before unplugging. E.g. I can unplug and plug back in my laptop without needing to rearrange everything. Not to mention the order never mattered.
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I have color profiles for my monitors and can download them from somewhere too. Or do manual calibration. I don’t bother, colors are fine.
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I played multiple games on steam on this thing. They run just as good as on windows. Although online games aren’t supported well, so I dual-boot.
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UI is perfect because I tweaked the living hell out of my gnome and customized colors to my liking. Neither would be possible on windows or mac. But also out of the box experience on gnome is fairly decent. Comparable to win/mac.
I did not need much effort to get any of that working. Install your distro and go go go.
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user server does not check out
what?
Your account is on sh.itjust.works, and in this case sh** isn’t working.
lmao, yeah
What distro were you using? I’ve literally never had any problems with controllers, video cards, monitors, or anything that you’ve mentioned. Also, Proton not working is extremely rare. Basically the only thing that prevents games from running perfectly for me is anti-cheat specifically not being supported by the game studio.
I’ve basically always used Ubuntu which is very stable and the most Windows-like experience imo. Maybe you should give Ubuntu a try if you haven’t?
currently im using endeavouros that had the controller problem of this week
ubuntu and or an ubuntu base didnt really change the wine/proton problem sadly
Can’t speak for controllers other than the wired Xbox 360 one, but EndeavourOS itself has never given me any of the other problems you described.
It’s not 100% issue-free, though that’s mainly the fault of Nvidias’ driver.
What I’m really confused about though is your systems’ inability to make wine/proton work properly.
What hardware are you running, and what are some games you intended to play?
its a common kenovo prebuilt pc that has never been tampered besides giving it a bit more ram
i had problems with so many games that it would be a struggle to list them all, so i limit it to 5:
- warcraft 3, bitched about directx which was installed
- anno 1404, an error i unfortunately cant remember on boot and than closes itself
- lots of smaller indie games never start (too many to list, just a random small indie game and there is a chance i tried it out and it never started)
- one finger death punch 1, lags so much its unplayable
- stacklands, worded twice, than never again, same setup
Okay, I don’t have any of those games. But looking at Anno 1404 for example, lots of reports on ProtonDB say to run DX9.
One Finger Death Punch has only a single recent report, which decribes problems exclusive to the Deck, so idk.
Stacklands’ recent reports look pretty much exlusively positive, so honestly, something about your system might be borked.
What troubleshooting steps did you take? Clearly something is wrong.
thank you for the help, i do appreciate it, but i have been through the same steps so much that i have more or less given up
i have been through the trenches way too many times
Sometimes, you just get the bad luck of the draw, and your combination of hardware and software throws tantrums like this.
It certainly happens
right now im trying to get back into using windows (cause gaming and streaming and stuff, which was what caused the post to begin with)
and like the previous times i tried to, it just gives me a sour taste in my mouth (my brain wont shut up about it, its loud like this)
so at this point im still kinda willing to listen to anything you have to say, i can give you any info you want really, we can take this to dms (are dms a thing here? idk lol)
I’d put 5 bucks on a bet that the games that wouldn’t launch in proton were stored on a shared NTFS drive. The monitor problem because they unchecked ‘configure new monitors when connected’. And the rest is just user-error and not understanding the tools they are using.
I won’t downvote you for having an unpopular opinion. But I’ll definitely downvote you for putting passive aggressive shit like “can’t speak bad about linux on lemmy now can we” in your post title. Lemmy isn’t a monolith and your experiences with downvote brigading and dogpiling isn’t universal.
Tbh, OP isn’t wrong there. Their language is maybe a bit too harsh, but especially in communities about Linux, they really do crucify you if you say anything bad about Linux.
And “anything bad” can range from “I got a problem” over “I have an Nvidia GPU” to “I use Ubuntu”. And “I’m frustrated with Linux” will in 100% of cases lead to a lot of downvotes.
Been a Linux-only user since 2007. Except in some very corner cases, every time I’ve seen someone complain about how people dogpiled them instead of helped them with a problem, it’s been because they “asked” for help with a post that started something like OP.
I see examples every single day of of the community being helpful to people who have problems, even when user ignorance is part of the problem.
Catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all that.
I don’t think that’s fair.
I think it’s totally understandable, that someone gets ranty when they spent 5h trying and failing to fix something that should be simple.
And compare that to how similar requests for help are handled in Windows communities.
Someone has a big issue with their Windows PC, they spent a lot of time trying and failing to fix the issue.
So they post in some online community “I can’t get this piece of crap working. I’m so frustrated with the useless hoops I have to jump through”.
The reaction to that, without fail, is “Yeah, I understand why this is frustrating, because it is frustrating and it sucks. Maybe these pointers could help you”.
Do the same with something related to Linux, and the answers range from something like your comment (“asking” for help), to helpful comments like “I’ve never had issues with this, so you must be doing it wrong” to people outright claiming, that the person asking for help is actually a Windows troll who only posts to drag Linux through the mud.
If you think the bracketed passive aggressive BS in the title of OP along with comments within their post disparaging the same community who they expect help from is the correct way for anyone to go about trying to get help about any piece of technology from a community of volunteers who aren’t paid to help them, then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
Edited to add: The very substance of the post is “I know everyone here likes this thing, but I think it’s shit and I’m going to tell you why” - how is it the fault of the community when that doesn’t result in constructive discussion?
If you think the bracketed passive aggressive BS in the title of OP along with comments within their post disparaging the same community who they expect help from is the correct way for anyone to go about trying to get help about any piece of technology from a community of volunteers who aren’t paid to help you, then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
Tbh, if you don’t want to help someone, that’s totally fine. Then don’t help them.
But don’t post, to use your terms, passive aggressive bullshit like “It’s working for me, so you must be doing it wrong”.
And it’s an issue that I have only seen in Linux communities and communities that draw the same crowd, that people get really pissy if you complain about a product.
For example, check out this post of mine over on r/linuxgaming: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/17w5hyo/process_of_setting_up_steamprotonnvidia_prime/
There I documented what I had to do to get Risk of Rain 2 to run on Linux and compared it to Windows.
Yes, it was a bit ranty, but I didn’t offend the community or the people there, I didn’t even say anything really negative about Linux or any of the involved products. The only thing I said was “Things could need some improvements”.
I had an upvote ratio of 17% and except of one comment, every single commenter wrote some form of “I don’t have that problem, so you must be the problem”.
The most positive comment there was “I think you are exaggerating”.
This is what a toxic community looks like and if you’ve been on the receiving end of that stick a few times, I am not surprised that comments like the one of the OP here follows.
Linux fanboys (most people using Linux aren’t fanboys, but sadly enough of them are) hate people using other OSes than them. They also hate people using other distros than them. And they hate anyone who dare suggest that the software they are using might contain bugs.
And this is something you don’t get in communities of any other OS.
I think that’s a pretty terrible thing, because these people are really effective at driving newcomers away from Linux.
But don’t post, to use your terms, passive aggressive bullshit like “It’s working for me, so you must be doing it wrong”.
Quote me doing so.
Tbh, if you don’t want to help someone, that’s totally fine. Then don’t help them.
I can’t fathom why ANYONE would voluntarily help someone who comes at them like in OP.
Didn’t say you did, I only said I am using your terms.
You can’t fathom, because apparently you can’t or don’t want to understand the difference between being frustrated with a product and/or certain parts of the community and a direct attack at you.
I totally understand the OP’s point and if I had a helpful solution, I would help them.
dont think i have seen anyone be this understanding of the situation i have written this in, and you seem to have been in the same situation as me more than once it seems, so thank you for being this understanding of a heated post and sorry you had similar experiences
Yeah, the thing is, people in that kind of situation usually stop asking questions or stop using Linux alltogether.
These toxic fanatics that keep attacking everyone who could use help with using Linux are at least as effective at keeping the market share of Linux low as Microsoft’s anticompetitive behaviour is.
And, tbh, anyone who hasn’t had a problem with Linux where they had to spend >5h to fix it probably hasn’t done anything else than using Linux to launch a browser.
tbh, OP is definitely wrong here. I see shitty behavior from shitty people in every community on Lemmy. The linux community is not special in this regard. And the passive aggressive attitude is not justified because “something should have been simple”. It’s linux. Can it be frustrating and complex? Sure. Is it ever helpful to allow that frustration to translate into a social media post about the entire software ecosystem? No, lol.
Nope. The behaviour on about any community on Feddit.de for example is really good and constructive.
Too many people see using FOSS as part of their identity rather than the products they enjoy using. And these people usually get really offended when someone says something negative about their product.
Honestly youre right. When i first started using linux it was for fun, something different. It had so many issues that by default id boot into windows and use ubuntu occassionally to learn it some more. A few years later and endeavour is my daily driver and im lucky enough to have 0 issues whatsoever, i love it but its probably dumb luck that all my hardware works well. The issues people have with linux seem totally random, some people breeze through it, then theres people like you that just encounter so much seemingly random bs.
Youre right about the circlejerks, enjoy the comments that are gonna come pouring in lol
i almost felt left out honestly, and i dont even have funky hardware, its a common prebuilt
seemingly random bs.
Most of the problems listed are graphics related. OP mentioned having an Nvidia GPU. Seems to follow. 99% of the issues I ever had on Linux were resolved with an AMD GPU. Nvidia’s support for Linux is atrocious (outside of the enterprise space).
That’s true, but also a very bad thing.
Most users (read: laptop users) cannot just swap their GPU. They’d have to swap the whole device.
Combine that with the fact, that many people get interested in using Linux when Windows doesn’t work any more (e.g. because they don’t qualify for Win11 or when they have issues in Windows that they can’t resolve), and the general popularity of Nvidia cards (they used to be much better than AMD for a long time) and you get a lot of users with problems.
Obviously, Nvidia is to blame here, but that doesn’t help users who can’t use their PC fully on Linux.
G-sync monitors have also given me issues on Linux (w/ either AMD or NVIDIA gpus)
GUI mode was fine but I still never got it to display the text mode boot up screens properly, which is fine, until it breaks and then it’s really a problem.
How can you flame like this without mentioning the distribution so we can shit on it!
because the point is not to shit on individual distros? none of them are shit in the end, the linux ecosystem just isnt for me just yet
I know, I was joking. 😊 It was actually great that you didn’t mention it, if you had then the discussion would have focused on how that particular distro is the one that didn’t do right by you.
You’re not alone, but it’s an unpopular opinion among geeks. I guess most of them are just bored and therefore love to tinker with these kind of issues. I value my time and prefer not to care about my OS doing things for me. I like to have the option to do so, if I need, but I shouldn’t have too. Windows allows that, MacOS doesn’t and Linux allows too much of that, even requires it.
Another part is the dopamine rush when an issue got solved. Obviously you don’t get any if it works right away.
My windows 10 is running flawless since 2019 and it didn’t slow down or get bloated. I have disabled a few options but that’s about it. Meanwhile my coworker is fighting bad drivers every day. Not even talking about games that simply don’t work at all.
I use Linux at work and it’s great when you set up a VM to do one thing and then forget about it.
MacOS does to a degree(!!!) if you open the terminal. It’s Unix compliant, so it’s not even that much of a leap.
understandable view, thank you
I put Linux Mint on my laptop about ten years ago. Finally, this year, my track pad started working.
This reads like that one review on an “Overwhelmingly positive” game where someone goes, “game wont even install, useless piece of shit”.
i always put more weight on the ‘middle’ reviews, not the 1s and 5s.
I haven’t tried gaming on linux, but I completely agree on the audio part. I have a laptop running PopOS, had a meeting and it just won’t change from the built-in mic, and some mic’s won’t even get recognized. Let’s just say meetings are now like my gaming, windows only.
I’ve only had issues like this on a particular laptop. Luckily it was a work laptop so not a big deal but this thing hated Linux. It would have issues on almost every front like the audio device suddenly not working or it isn’t able to change brightness or not being able to turn on because a mouse is plugged in. Weird shit like that. Sometimes it would lock up for no reason.
I’ve installed Linux on my personal laptop and only had a few minor issues. Any issue on my PC I try to fix because I use it so often but Wayland has automated a lot of the more annoying parts like having to stream audio through my mic on Discord.
It definitely has issues that can be frustrating. I was dealing with applications not hooking up to my audio properly but it turned out that pipewire needed a restart then it was good to go. I’m currently waiting for LCARSWM to be updated so I can test it out.
I’ve only had issues like this on a particular laptop. Luckily it was a work laptop so not a big deal but this thing hated Linux. It would have issues on almost every front like the audio device suddenly not working or it isn’t able to change brightness or not being able to turn on because a mouse is plugged in. Weird shit like that. Sometimes it would lock up for no reason.
I’ve installed Linux on my personal laptop and only had a few minor issues. Any issue on my PC I try to fix because I use it so often but Wayland has automated a lot of the more annoying parts like having to stream audio through my mic on Discord.
It definitely has issues that can be frustrating. I was dealing with applications not hooking up to my audio properly but it turned out that pipewire needed a restart then it was good to go. I’m currently waiting for LCARSWM to be updated so I can test it out. My Bluetooth keyboard hasn’t been interacting well but this might be fixed but I’ll need to test it.
I love to tinker and problem solving is my bread and butter so Linux is ideal for me. I hated how much Windows kept obscuring things I needed to see just to play around with settings. It’s almost accepted that some shit will require getting into the weeds with because Linux is so overlooked by companies that something somewhere will break. I’m fine with it because I enjoy the challenge and I hate the sacrifices I’d have to make to use Windows.
