• Bizarroland@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    Until people develop a workable alternative, all this narrative does is annoy people who have no choice but to use cars.

    When electric buses start making round trips from every main city to every suburb on a set reliable and convenience schedule, then you can start shaming people for having to drive a car.

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      8 months ago

      I have to drive a car because my city is barely traversable otherwise. I hate it. So, I’ve been working with the city council and other committees to start building a modern transit system. It can be done, but it takes motivated people to make it happen.

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      8 months ago

      Until people develop a workable alternative

      The alternative will not appear out of thin air. More people need to have a sense of the long-reaching consequences of car-dependent urban planning and that’s what propels them to vote for better planning in their cities.

      Nothing is going to change without a shift in political leanings, and that’s what this sort of advocacy is doing.

    • maegul@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      I mean antagonistic shaming can be awful, obviously. But getting people to care is important, and meeting people where they are sometimes requires making sure they know they should care.

      Caring doesn’t mean feeling bad and guilty though. This is part of the toxicity that personal responsibility has created. Not everyone can be equally responsible for their individual contributions. But we can all be much more equal in how much we care about issues.

      Something like the bus you describe won’t just appear out of no where. People have to want it, commit to it, consult in its design and then use it.

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      8 months ago

      People literally think that buses and bike lanes are what’s bankrupting their cities. Education is needed.

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      8 months ago

      When electric buses start making round trips from every main city to every suburb on a set reliable and convenience schedule,

      How fucked up is your city that this doesn’t already exist? That’s not a pipe dream, it’s the bare minimum. Your local government has failed, please go riot in the streets.