I guess so but when you compare 2nd tiers from Spain and Germany their quality is so much better. Germany’s 3rd tier also has great stadiums too, the only one that I can think of being great in our 3rd tier is Riazor and that’s also because they used to be a great team.
German sports culture always seemed so family oriented to me. Its like even small neighbourhood clubs are the gathering center, let it be sports or even bingo nights for elders. Everyone has an attachment to the clubs.
Well its the club culture. To keep ur hometown club Alive u have to participate and work a bit for it. Its strenghening the community and binding ppl to the club
Hertha, Schalke, HSV, Nürnberg, Kaiserslautern and Hannover - six of twelve '06 World Cup stadiums are used by clubs currently in the 2. Bundesliga. Add Düsseldorf and that’s seven stadiums with 49.000+ seats, while the Championship, Serie B and Segunda Division have just one 40.000+ seater each (two in Ligue 2).
2006 is also a big part why some of those stadiums are now not in the Bundesliga anymore. A lot of Clubs taking on huge debt to pay for upgrades that couldn’t really afford it.
Spain’s 2nd division has some insane stadiums as well, i bet most of the teams in spanish 2nd division are bigger than most stadiums in Portugal 1st division outside of the big 3, and i would bet 100€ the average attendance is bigger than in Portugal outside the big 3
“Portugal outside of Big 3” is really pretty small business lol. The 2nd tier of the Polish leauge also has more attendance than that, and Poland is among the European countries with fewest people going to football games per capita.
The “Big 3” is more than 60% of attendance of whole Primeira Liga.
Poland is among the European countries with fewest people going to football games per capita.
Is that lack of interest in football, or just the domestic league? Most of the Polish I’ve worked with would play in our 6-a-side games. One lad with a Legia Warsaw screensaver who was a bit of a nutter.
Hard to say for me really. Football is definitely popular. People just don’t go in as big amounts as in football countries, relatively to the country’s whole population. The only country I found with a lower number among the ones I checked was Ireland, but Ireland definitely has other sports they prefer, in Poland football is definitely the most popular sport overall.
What I can say is that in Germany football is considered way more inclusive entertainment, more people think it’s just a nice way to spend time with your family, “normal” people go to games. In Poland going to games is more associated with being a hooli, an ultra, and most middle-class people really despise the idea. I can say my family would definitely never go to a football game, and tbh even avoid going out on the time of the game to not meet the fans on the street to avoid unpleasantries. Also basically all my friends (middle class) despise football and football fans and think it’s an entertainment for simpletons and would never go to a game. The general popular opinion in this class is that footballers are overpaid lazy do-nothings who are all very bad at their job, and the fans are lowlife who will beat someone up.
I can also say that my hometown club has a stadium of 40 000, which is just too big in general. It was built for Euro 2012, in hopes that the culture will catch up to the facilities. The average last season was 10 thousand people, when they were battling relegation. This season, inexplicably, they keep winning games and lead the league, and the stadium is suddenly full.
I’m always suprised at the quality of lower league German stadiums
Because those teams used to play in the BuLi
I guess so but when you compare 2nd tiers from Spain and Germany their quality is so much better. Germany’s 3rd tier also has great stadiums too, the only one that I can think of being great in our 3rd tier is Riazor and that’s also because they used to be a great team.
Germans know how to build stuff
I mean the Championship also has big teams, Leicester and probably the biggest one is Leeds are there. Sheffield Wednesday is also a traditional club.
German sports culture always seemed so family oriented to me. Its like even small neighbourhood clubs are the gathering center, let it be sports or even bingo nights for elders. Everyone has an attachment to the clubs.
Well its the club culture. To keep ur hometown club Alive u have to participate and work a bit for it. Its strenghening the community and binding ppl to the club
Germany is a wealthy country
The 2006 WC was also very instrumental in that.
Hertha, Schalke, HSV, Nürnberg, Kaiserslautern and Hannover - six of twelve '06 World Cup stadiums are used by clubs currently in the 2. Bundesliga. Add Düsseldorf and that’s seven stadiums with 49.000+ seats, while the Championship, Serie B and Segunda Division have just one 40.000+ seater each (two in Ligue 2).
2006 is also a big part why some of those stadiums are now not in the Bundesliga anymore. A lot of Clubs taking on huge debt to pay for upgrades that couldn’t really afford it.
Spain’s 2nd division has some insane stadiums as well, i bet most of the teams in spanish 2nd division are bigger than most stadiums in Portugal 1st division outside of the big 3, and i would bet 100€ the average attendance is bigger than in Portugal outside the big 3
“Portugal outside of Big 3” is really pretty small business lol. The 2nd tier of the Polish leauge also has more attendance than that, and Poland is among the European countries with fewest people going to football games per capita.
The “Big 3” is more than 60% of attendance of whole Primeira Liga.
Is that lack of interest in football, or just the domestic league? Most of the Polish I’ve worked with would play in our 6-a-side games. One lad with a Legia Warsaw screensaver who was a bit of a nutter.
Hard to say for me really. Football is definitely popular. People just don’t go in as big amounts as in football countries, relatively to the country’s whole population. The only country I found with a lower number among the ones I checked was Ireland, but Ireland definitely has other sports they prefer, in Poland football is definitely the most popular sport overall.
What I can say is that in Germany football is considered way more inclusive entertainment, more people think it’s just a nice way to spend time with your family, “normal” people go to games. In Poland going to games is more associated with being a hooli, an ultra, and most middle-class people really despise the idea. I can say my family would definitely never go to a football game, and tbh even avoid going out on the time of the game to not meet the fans on the street to avoid unpleasantries. Also basically all my friends (middle class) despise football and football fans and think it’s an entertainment for simpletons and would never go to a game. The general popular opinion in this class is that footballers are overpaid lazy do-nothings who are all very bad at their job, and the fans are lowlife who will beat someone up.
I can also say that my hometown club has a stadium of 40 000, which is just too big in general. It was built for Euro 2012, in hopes that the culture will catch up to the facilities. The average last season was 10 thousand people, when they were battling relegation. This season, inexplicably, they keep winning games and lead the league, and the stadium is suddenly full.