• DoX6ConorGallagher@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Chelsea and Everton the “most improved” while both having a generally awful start to the season is a fun indication of how useful xG is.

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      10 months ago

      Chelsea and Everton the “most improved” while both having a generally awful start to the season is a fun indication of how useful xG is.

      Except Everton have been pretty good and are easily the most underrated team in the leauge. I’d argue they were pretty unlucky and were shit aginst Luton which apparently is the only relevant game of the season for judging them on. If anything, their quality on the pitch compared with their xG is a lot more similar than when compared to how many points they’ve gained.

      xG is worthless for you because you couldn’t finish of a virgin who’d been edging for 8 hours.

    • BoxOfNothing@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      The most surprising thing upon his introduction last season, even though results didn’t go brilliantly, was that our xG shot up massively in the second half of the season. xG conceded also went up a bit I think though. So even more impressive that after he improved xG a lot in the second half of the season, this season is a massive improvement again.

      • PerfectBlueOnDVD@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        Is it even an unpopular opinion to think he keeps them up even with -10 points? They look significantly better than the 3 teams closest to them.

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    10 months ago

    Up and to the right is ideal? That means you conceded less xG and created more xG.

    So Everton are the most improved side in the league? Makes sense given their performances.

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      10 months ago

      After the initial outrage over the 10pt deduction dies down, Toffees would be secretly happy that it came at the best time for them.

      Last season, they’re relegated. Earlier this season when they were on a bad run and suddenly the doom and gloom around the club could’ve spiralled. Later this season and they wouldn’t have the games left to react.

      But now, in a good run, with enough games to go and the siege mentality setting in with very low risk of actual relegation = best outcome of a bad situation.

  • Teantis@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Interesting to note we’re producing less xG in attack and conceding less xG in defence, despite the general sense that Ange is less pragmatic and more daring than Conte. The eye test, and my own observation, seem to directly disagree with the underlying stats.

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    10 months ago

    Poor old Everton! All that improvement going to waste. Obviously it should see them avoid the cut easily enough so that points punishment is a complete waste of time.

    • BoxOfNothing@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      It’s definitely fucked us massively, but if we survive then I wouldn’t say the improvement was entirely a waste, because if we continued playing like we did last season and got a 10 point deduction, we were definitely going down even with the weaker relegation opponents

      • JediMindTrxcks@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        A ten point deduction would have relegated Wolves last year and they finished 13th. Chelsea (12th) would have survived on tie breakers. The relegation battle was a lot tighter last year than it SHOULD be this year-it obviously is relevant that there’s a lot of season left to be played and if any of the newly promoted sides get a good run of form and we have fitness issues, then it will get dicey for us.

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    10 months ago

    One of the main aspects of a good graph is that the audience should be able to easily understand the data within 30 seconds. This graph is not such a graph.

    • LackingSimplicity@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      Really?

      The badges are large enough to be legible without being so large their crowd each other too much.

      The line is obviously connecting 2 points, one being the badge, and the change in width tells you immediately that’s it’s a progression from the thin point to the thick one. They’re also coloured well so you can immediately tell who is who.

      There are lines on the background to help group without even using the axes.

      • JediMindTrxcks@alien.topB
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        10 months ago

        You can also tell because the newly promoted sides are just the badge, so the badge has to represent this year.

        Also, it says it at the top of the graph.

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      10 months ago

      United’s vibe is basically ‘what if we tried to press like Tottenham but weren’t very good at it?’ — they force a lot of high turnovers but allow chances at about the same rate as Wolves and Nottingham Forest.

      This line cracked me up LMAO

    • afarensiis@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      We also haven’t had a single game with a preferred starting XI. How much have we seen a midfield of Partey, Odegaard, and Rice? A single half against City? Imagine how much ball progression alone would improve with the full team

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      10 months ago

      Severely low xG conceded doesn’t mean “defend” more of the game, on the contrary it means you have a better control of the game. You are essentially allowing fewer opportunities for the opposition to have a glimpse of your side of the pitch. Teams that defend more, often concede a big xG, and if they have good defenders then their xG per shot would be lower. But yeah, pure low xG is all about controlling the game and the ball.

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    10 months ago

    Still very dubious towards if Gary can keep us up. There’s been subtle improvements, but it’ll be very close

    • Modnal@alien.topB
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      10 months ago

      That some people cant read such a simple graph scares me. It even shows above the graph which part of the club tadpoles that is last season and which part is this one