• barbarosa@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    At which point do you believe that Hamas will disarm its arsenal of rockets firing regularly at Israel ? What would need to happen for Hamas to do that you think ?

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      9 months ago

      we could start with not shooting anyone the snipers on the border can see, maybe lift the blockade, stop trying to starve them out (most Gazans don’t even reach 40 due to malnutrition and IDF “grass cutting”), maybe don’t limit them to 4 days of water a week, let them rebuild and operate their own power plant again, stopping IDF supported Pogroms in the west bank (yes the very same the occupied the IDF as Hamas attacked), stopping the illegal settlements, actually allow for a 2-state solution where Israel doesn’t control all the water etc…

      The list is long, it won’t happen overnight, but such is the bed that the Israeli government has made.

      But don’t worry, they are going with the genocide route, because the Zionists in Israel are mainly not the survivors of the holocaust, but fervent nationalists so far removed from the horrors of the Nazi regime, that they openly mock holocaust survivors, and completely disregard those who got shipped off to gulags by the Russians and/or couldn’t move to Israel before 1953 (because any of them that came after 1953 aren’t real Jews to begin with)

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        9 months ago

        A lot of what you said is just factually incorrect. Putting the west bank aside and focusing on Gaza, there was no humanitarian crisis before October 7 and there are no settlements in Gaza. The “snipers at the border” were not so effective on the day of October 7th when Hamas broke into Israel and massacred women and children. Hamas did not go into settlements in the west bank. It went into regular villages and cities and did what it did.

        And that last part about the mocking of Holocaust survivors, not sure where you get that from

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          9 months ago

          you are the definition of if you don’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

          “there was no humanitarian crisis in Ba Sing Ee”

          Snipers were needed for Pogroms in Westbank (that you seem hellbent on ignoring because it’s inconvenient)

          As for Hamas not being in settlements in the west bank, you know how geography works? tho I guess we ignore the Pogroms that happen there, Ironically with the weapons that were pulled from the Gaza border security forces, that couldn’t have anything to do with anything, entirely separate incident of Israeli killing Palestinians, in a 70+year long thing that involves the ethnic tensions between the Palestinians and Israelis.

          and the Holocaust mocking? ya, that’s the current Israeli government, they hate the holocaust survivors and try to screw them over as much as they can

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            9 months ago

            I like how you quote critical articles from Israeli media, that is a testimony that freedom of speech is very much a real thing there.

            The first article from Haaretz which is very known as anti settlements leftist newspaper. All it says is that instead of giving weapons for the population in the villages and kibbutz and cities around Gaza to defend themselves in case of intrusion, it was given for settlements in the west bank and when the shit hit the fan they were completely unprepared.

            The second article is also an internal criticism of the progroms that went in Huwara. I am happy that criticism of Israel is still possible

            The last one about Itzik Zarka, who should really not get a headline as he’s the lowest form of scum, yeah these people exist but are very much on the fringe of society and do not deserve any attention. Unfortunately Bibi likes to use these people when convenient for him

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        9 months ago

        The life expectancy in Gaza is over 70 years, according to WHO data. Go spread misinformation elsewhere.