Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net

If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net”.

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    10 months ago

    Yeah, close that protocol! Build the walls around our garden higher! No need to wait for them to actually do something worth defederating over, we just don’t like them!

    This is silly. A major social media network is trying to join the Fediverse and everyone’s keen on stopping it. If Meta does something dirty or damaging, sure, defederate them then. But I was kind of hoping that open protocols would flourish, not just end up as another bunch of balkanized forums and Reddit-likes.

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        I don’t like Meta. Why do you assume everyone has to be on one “team” or the other? I’m in favor of open protocols and open protocols can be used by anyone. Even if you don’t like them.

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      Federation means you can defederate for any reason. It’s not a set of principles, it is an ontological arrangement whereby power is distributed. Plenty of users will look for defederated instances to join because keeping facebook out of our shit is what we want. You are free to find instances that are federated. Nobody will stop you.

      And as for things they’ve done, personally I find that knowingly stoking genocide in Myanmar is enough for me to not give them any more chances.

    • Nia [She/Her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I don’t know how many times Meta has to literally be worse than a movie villain for people to stop having stockholm syndrome.

      They’ve ran experiments on their users putting negative content in their feeds to see how it affects their mental state, if you want that stuff on here, well, I don’t even know what to say.

      They have a track record of being absolute garbage for decades.

      Why does everything have to have Meta in it?

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        10 months ago

        “yes, they kill, torture, brutalize, pillage, and kick puppies, but if we don’t allow them an equal voice, can we truly say we are any better?”

        Yes. Yes we can.

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      10 months ago

      The microbloggers are a bit different than us, in that they actually try to create a “social circle.” Threaded discussions with random assholes like we enjoy tend to be more focused on giving us someone to reply to.

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      10 months ago

      Ever play Plague Inc? The secret to winning is to not become deadly until you’ve already become engrained and established throughout society. Then you add the deadly features once you’re too deep in.

      Don’t let the cancer establish itself as something innocent. The owner of the platform WILL take any opportunity to seize control of the media so it can seize control of the message.

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      10 months ago

      I’d be closer to agreeing with you if XMPP didn’t completely invalidate your point. They did it there and they’ll do it here.

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        10 months ago

        XMPP works great, you just have to use it. It doesn’t invalidate anything.

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          Theres a reason nobody uses it anymore. Google extended the crap out of it, effectively took over the protocol and then retired it. It bears the same echoes of what’s happening here.

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            This didn’t happen. In fact Google was the one who fell behind development when the protocol moved on and deprecated unencrypted connections for example. People just don’t make it a priority to use XMPP instead of the walled gardens they are using now.

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      10 months ago

      If you haven’t noticed them doing dirty or damaging things for the last twenty years, feel free to engage with them.

      There’s more than enough evidence to show their intentions are far from pure.

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        10 months ago

        How am I supposed to do that when people like you are encouraging admins to defederate which removes any semblance of freedom of choice that you are fucking trying to imply we act upon?

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          You can spin up your own server… That’s what the fediverse is.

          The freedom to do whatever you want as an admin, and the freedom of choosing another server where you’ll still be part of the network

          Meta/Facebook threatens this, because their user base dwarfs the rest of the fediverse. They’re also running their own closed source server code… They can gatekeep their own federation

          I would love it if companies joined the fediverse, but like, by making instances. Maybe even use it for their internal Intranet. Maybe they could add federation compatible APIs to their existing software

          I don’t want a massive social network company to use their position to make a new social network…

          Federation is like Bitcoin or Tor - it’s decentralized, until one org becomes too large… At that point, they can control the network in countless ways

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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          10 months ago

          They’re a multinational corporation, they don’t need us to host their shit for you to be able to read a goddamn article and learn something.

          If you don’t yet understand that they’re evil that’s on you.

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              10 months ago

              Choose what? If you want to find an instance unscrupulous enough to federate with that company then go for it. Who is stopping you?

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                10 months ago

                People like OP here, begging admin to block it?

                Like are you for real? He’s literally asking them to take my choice away.

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                  10 months ago

                  It is always the admins’ choice, that has never been any different. You are free to choose which instance you are part of.

                  This petition changes nothing about that.

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                    10 months ago

                    “We need to defederate from them” is not a petition…

                    Also, you could just choose not to subscribe to them, go to a place where they are defederated, or even just block them yourself with the right apps.

                    That’s a whole lot of choice for you in a platform based around decentralization and user choice.

                    But on the flip side if you just make everyone defederate them, then you’re removing user choice completely just based on your personal feelings on the matter.

                    That doesn’t seem fair to me just because you personally hate something that I don’t.

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              10 months ago

              Then get fucked?

              Meta are largely responsible for the current state of affairs right now. Nearly every current war, genocide, fake news, and more can be tied back to Meta.

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                Are you seriously simplifying all current conflicts caused down to simply social media? So if we completely remove all social media, humanity instantly becomes the utopian society from science fiction. STFU with this stupidity you ignorant child.

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                  Simply? No.

                  Dangerously and deliberately engageful? Yes.

                  Look at the impact of FB in the Rohingya genocide for fucks sake.

                  Fucking right wing wanker.

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              10 months ago

              Then feel free to go to threads or somewhere that does federate with them. You don’t have to stay on a particular instance if they don’t federate with something you want to engage with.

              That’s your freedom of choice.

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                10 months ago

                There is no plan for kbin to defederate with Threads, which is why I’m here you dolt. Maybe you should leave.

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              10 months ago

              Then you’re evil. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              Go ahead, be evil. It is certainly your prerogative.

              • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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                10 months ago

                It’s sarcasm. I upvoted them because I would have said something similar to highlight the absurdity of any argument against defederating with Threads.

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                Thanks, it is my prerogative.

                This is the point of the freedom of federated communities: we can read whatever the fuck we want from wherever the fuck we want without having authoritarian censor-heavy limp-wrist adult-baby moderators and corporate fascists determining what we are allowed to read or affiliate with.

                Thanks for noticing I’m evil. I’ll go make a nice blood sacrifice to my effigy of Satan by eating another baby.

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                  10 months ago

                  Right, so nobody’s stopping you from joining threads, or making your own instance. You can call it evil.villain. Why don’t you?

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                    10 months ago

                    I promise you nothing is going to get steamrolled, you are simply being very ignorant.

                    In fact, I will @ you with a reminder in 30 days as a reply to this message of how mundane and routine everything is to prove you are wrong.

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                I’ve noticed a lot of turfing on all of these threadsfed posts. It’s becoming more and more. People just need to get a threads account if it’s so important to them.

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                  Well they’re clearly aware of us, we can’t pretend we’re just a bunch of silly little beans doing our own thing anymore. Of course they’re going to do this. There is literally not a single reason for them not to.

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          I’m sure there will be instances that remain federated with them, and you can join those… or just join Threadstagram.

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          10 months ago

          So… admins aren’t free to choose? Why are you trying to take away admins freedom of choice? Sounds kind of authoritarian to me.

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            If you’re self-hosting a personal instance, do whatever you want.

            But if you’re hosting a community for other people, you should consider what they want. That’s the responsibility of a community leader.

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              That’s the beauty of the fediverse, if the instance you’re on isn’t doing what you want, you can move to another one. Or create your own.

              I’d say that’s a pretty clear indicator of the popularity of decisions. Saying “No, you can’t do that, cause I don’t want that” is putting your desires above the desires of others.

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      10 months ago

      I’m sure Meta won’t be awful this time! Sure they’ve been awful quite literally every single chance they’ve gotten, but they won’t be this time!

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        I’m not saying they won’t. I’m saying there’s no reason to defederate preemptively.

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          I honestly don’t understand how some of you have this point of view. This isn’t a they’ve been evil once or twice thing. This is a they’ve been evil at every single opportunity and actively seek out more opportunities to be evil for well over a decade and you’re a fucking moron for trusting them thing.