I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.
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Seems like everyone who is “for” letting threads stay can be summed up by “why would I want to intentionally separate this from a corporate entity when they’ll just get my data anyway” Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
Oppose corpos at all fronts, it doesn’t matter if they’ll get you anyway. If that’s your take, then if your country ever gets invaded, I expect you to bend over and invite the enemy inside.
Well said
I don’t understand. Facebook can get data from an open system whenever they feel like it.
Fetch authorization may be able to prevent that.
Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
It’s not. Which is why it’s so ridiculous that OP is making it.
Not federating it seems like a weird choice. Can’t each user block Threads themselves if they want? Isn’t that the point of the fediverse? User control?
Yes. Certain types of people like to pretend they cannot do that for themselves, how ever.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
I think that interoperation with big walled gardens is part of the reason why #activitypub exists. Furthermore, there are no technical measures to completely shut off #Threads, and the social measures are unlikely to work.
I know the risks, I’m old enough to remember #Microsoft embracing and extinguishing browsers and open documents, #Goggle defederating from #XMPP and #Facebook predatory tactics.
On the other hand, I think that federation with the big players is unstoppable. The protocol is open and there is no way to get every last instance to defederate. If people want to see the big players’ content they’ll move to an instance that federates with them. And defederating from those that connect to threads sounds like a Zealot’s suicide pact.
I think that the best way to ensure that #Meta plays fair is to create a fediverse that is as diverse, open and vibrant as possible, with plenty of open services (Lemmy, mastodon, misskey…) and commercial ones (Flipboard, tumblr…) so that threads users will feel compelled to interact and miss us if Meta stops federating or shadowbans external content.
Is threads federating with Lemmy??? I thought it was federating with mastodon (and mastodon-like).
Once you implement ActivityPub, you federate with everything that uses ActivityPub. Your server might simply not see every other server yet, but you’re on the same network. With the current implementation, Lemmy will never display a Threads post and Threads will never display a Lemmy thread/comment. But they might send data to each other.
That makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
Doesn’t this mean defederation is kinda pointless though, since meta could just stealth-add an activitypub server that did nothing but record all data?
What data is Facebook “hoovering up” through federation that they don’t already have access to?
I have asked this question a dozen times and no one can ever give me a legitimate answer.
mastodon and Lemmy users jumping to conclusion with weird gatekeeping nonsense and conspiracy theories? shocker. and they wonder why mastodon didn’t take off post twitter.
Yall remember that time Facebook did an internal study of the massive psychological harm it and instagram was causing teen girls, then kept it secret and did nothing about it?
“Aspects of Instagram exacerbate each other to create a perfect storm,” said one internal report, which said pressure to share only the best moments and to look perfect could pitch teenagers into depression, low self-esteem and eating disorders.
“Issues like negative social comparison and anxiety exist in the world, so they’re going to exist on social media too,” Newton said. “That doesn’t change the fact that we take these findings seriously, and we set up a specific effort to respond to this research and change Instagram for the better.”
Yes it’s true, looking at pictures of pretty people all day can make some people feel less pretty about themselves. Shocking, I know.
Odd how you left out the part about them trying to use the study to make instagram better. Totally no bias on your part!
Would you be more or less upset if they didn’t care to study it at all? Genuinely curious how you think them trying to understand their platform better makes you angry.
Your entire post history is just defending facebook.
I don’t even use Facebook nor have I ever.
I was more of a Google+ kind of nerd.
is exist in head
What rock do you live under that you think Meta isn’t an active threat to the privacy of literally everyone in the world?
Imagine blocking hexbear and allowing Facebook.
Fuck lemmy world
Imagine thinking a few hundred people you disagree with is worse than a mega-corp manipulating information for profits.
The amount of Meta bootlickers in this thread is incredible.
People don’t get that with money they can do whatever they want. Want to do something illegal, just do it because you have unlimited funds to pay your legal team to clean up the mess afterwards. We are absolutely powerless against something that can litigate you to death. Defederating is the only power we have. There is no way to react to anything that happens. There are no consequences for their actions. They don’t even answer to any governments.
Facebook will definitely pay the admins and mkae them sign a NDA. If I was the admin and they offered me $5-10million, I’ll sure sell you guys to facebook so I understand if Lemmy.world Admins did the same.
allowing them to hoover up our data
Hate to break it to you, but the fediverse is public. Most instances don’t even require an account for read-only access. If Facebook wants your data they don’t need to federate to get it.
And realistically, there’s nothing stopping them from setting up a bunch of nondescript shell instances to gather data anyway.
Any admins of Lemmy.world reading this? Can we tag them?
Not that it will make any difference to either of us.
You get how federation works right?
Alright genius! Enlighten me
What do you want a different instance so will this instance does has no effect on you
Lol
Let’s federate with Threads. Let’s not jump to conclusions beforehand.
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how they behave. We can always defederate later.
am release goldfish because want to give him benefit of doubt
can always remove later
Federate with
Defederate from
I agree. Defederate.
