Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good.
Oh no. Not that. Please no.
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Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good. Some rejected the authority of the court altogether while others questioned if the judge herself had “something to hide.”
Funny how they think free speech is dead. I’m sure the there’s a pretty decent overlap between these idiots and the people standing in front of Town Halls and region headquarters whining about vaccines, kickdowns, and Trudeau with 0 repercussions.
These dumb fucks need to stop crying about “free speech” and start crying about what it is they really want - the ability to be degenerates and knuckle draggers without any repercussions.
I openly invite all these morons to leave Canada for good. We don’t want them. Nobody wants them. Go! Move to Antarctica where maybe the penguins will put up with your dipshittery. Maybe we can set up a GoFundMe to help them afford the travel cost out of here.
When the right wing says, “free speech” they actually mean, “hate speech without repercussions”. Free speech is a right wing dog whistle.
Yeah, these are the same people that want to ban books and have tight control over which true things are taught in schools.
Penguins and seals down there aren’t gonna put up with their shit either.
The poor penguins.
lamenting the death of free speech
Its amazing how ignorant they are to the fact it’s always* been like this
* since the Bill of Rights
Bill of Rights?
Huh. That’s an old one. Thanks.
LoL. Did you not know about this or something?
I actually didn’t know about the Canadian Bill of Rights. I’ve always focused on the Constitution and Charter since they are current and applicable nationally. I guess that since it was superseded I just didn’t know about it.
Oh! So I can’t go into a post-op ward in a white lab coat and tell the recovering patients that the power of prayer is better than surgery?!
What’s next?! Taking away my Professional Engineer certification just because I’m not an engineer?
Or maybe you want to bankrupt my architecture firm simply because my certifications double as my Colgate Cavity Patrol diploma!
Never forget: If you can’t commit outright fraud with your free speech, is it really free?
/s
What’s next?! Taking away my Professional Engineer certification just because I’m not an engineer?
You don’t need /s because this is something they are pissed about
They used to have a much better grasp on this sort of thing. “Is so-and-so a groomer? I don’t know, but people have been saying. I’m just asking questions…” and so forth. Couching your bs accusations in uncertain language to protect you from the libel lawsuit you clearly deserve. I guess it’s good they seem to be forgetting about that tool more frequently.
We’ve reached the tipping point. Fascism is on the rise globally and they have broken cover and are running to try to grab the prize. They need to be stopped.
100% agreed.
How can the government just overstep on Canadians’ first amendment rights? Don’t they know what the US founding fathers stood for? The right of Canadians to say whatever they want to whomever they want without fear of any consequences!!!1!
The first amendment you say? They’re still salty about the formation of Manitoba out of the Northwest Territory?
It’s hilarious most of them don’t know that this country has a charter of rights and freedoms, not the American constitution.
They’re considering adding it to the curriculum because an embarrassing amount of Canadians think they’re under the American constitution.
It is in the curriculum, but Cs get degrees I guess.
I certainly don’t remember learning anything about the charter when I was in school 😬
I think it was in Grade 10 Social Studies, BC, back in the eighties mind, so it was pretty fresh then and long in the past now. We didn’t exactly commit it to memory, just “this happened in 1982, here is the text” 10 question quiz or something, probably a question or two at the most on the final. Even when something is covered in school, and is on the final, the details will be hazy within a few years, although hopefully the general concepts will endure.
Of course, some of these people calling out groomers were probably in High School before the Constitution Act of 1982.
Yup. They live in the christofascist echo bunker which is dominated by US neo-fascist billionaires and have no idea what’s actually going on in the real world.
even contemplating leaving Canada for good.
Hello, yes, LGBT person stuck in Texas here. Can I have their house please? I don’t really like the cold, but if it means I don’t have to feel scared about coming out of the closet then I could deal with it.
My comrad in crisis, no one in Canada can afford houses anymore. High chance they are just impoverished renters.
2/3 of Canadians own their own homes.
Still more empty homes than homeless.
Source?
Not the quoted person but a quick research:
Apparently around 1.3 million homes were vacant in Canada (2021 data)
I couldn’t find anything more recent.
See I didn’t respond because I knew this is exactly what you were going to do. It’s always the same debate pervert internet sophistry.
Nobody ever asks for a source because they’re intellectually curious, it’s always just “this right wing source disagrees with your facts”
“Murtaza Haider is a professor of Real Estate Management at Ryerson University. Stephen Moranis is a real estate industry veteran.”
oh yes very unbiased people right here
Edit: Seriously though, after reading the article this doesn’t bust any myth at all. The only “source” cited is the census map and they don’t even take their time to transform that data into something that’s proving their point. That’s just a piece of opinion, it isn’t proving anything.
Hmm, that actually tracks with what I see in real life, but it’s pretty impressive. I guess that’s also why we have massive household debt.
We have massive household debt because we are livestock farmed for wealth by the plutocrats. They get us in debt early and keep us in debt our whole lives to that they can extract the maximum amount of interest from us until we die and our estates can be picked over for anything that’s left to pay our final debts.
You can look at it that way. They do advertise and play a lot of mind tricks. It’s also possible to be so poor you don’t even qualify to go into debt, though.
The plutocrats (as well as more moderately wealthy people) might argue that it’s always agreed to freely by the debtor, so it’s not their fault. I’d maintain free will doesn’t exist at a collective level, and they fucking know it. The entire concept of marketing is predicated on that.
That isnt just Canada bud. The cost of housing in the US far out paces incomes. At least anywhere that people want to live or where there are jobs.
As a closeted bi dude in Canada let me burst your bubble and let you know that Canada is no progressive safe haven. The militant anti lgbtq “litterboxes have infested our schools” style of facism masquerading as conservatism is growing at an alarming rate. My entire towns Facebook pages are overrun with this ideology. If you go on Grindr here, over half the accounts are hate accounts that harass and attempt to stalk users. It’s no picnic here.
I’d say come live nearby especially if you make adirondack chairs. But the housing crisis is everywhere. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/how-one-corner-of-nova-scotia-s-eastern-shore-became-an-unlikely-lgbtq-haven-1.6936773
Muskoka chairs*
In Canada those are Muskoka chairs
I’ve got trans friends and family. I’m legitimately worried about their future
No offense by I’m littery worried about everyone’s future. It just seems the world is hell bent on diving off a cliff.
You’re not wrong, but historically, the trans people are the first ones forced off that cliff
As a furry, the “litterboxes in the classrooms” thing would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that A) it’s not just a couple nutjobs, somehow people actually believed it, and B) they actually exist to a certain extent, but not because of “trans-animal” kids; some schools have them so kids have a place to piss during a lockdown (like a shooting).
It’s not uncommon for the community to have memes about furries showing up in textbooks, the furry illuminati, furries in high places, we’re taking over your schools and making them cringe, etc, because there are a number of us with “mystery money” and/or have odd jobs. Like, there are furries who are CEOs, furries who are scientists, tech furries, and furries who are just normal joes, working normal jobs as educators, accountants, etc. So “litterboxes in schools” would normally fuel that form of humor if it weren’t for the fact that the circumstances around it are so fucked up.
litter boxes
Not who you’re replying to, but fuck, I forgot about that conspiracy.
Ughhhh. I’m not LGBT, but I hate how they are mistreated and the fucking mental gymnastics and lengths people will do to hate you guys. It’s fucking despicable.
Grindr account -> harrassment
Jesus, that’s shitty.
I’m sure they’re fully erect as they swipe through grindr, seething with anger and ejaculate looking to explode.
Some dudes play the long game to get you to open up and then they post all of your stuff on the town pages and stuff calling you a groomer or a pedo. And the worst part is that most people believe the first thing they see/hear/read so all it takes is one rumour or malicious post and your entire life in the town is upside down. Can’t leave the house to go to the grocery store without someone sneering or making a remark.
Rural Atlantic Canada is absolutely fucked and it wasn’t even this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. Looking to make my exit plan in the next year or so.
Try a larger metro area if you can afford to. The established LGBT communities could probably help you feel a bit more welcome.
That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down.
I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭
My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation.
Hang in there. I’m rooting for you
I’d say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work.
God damn, where are you like Alberta?
Alberskatchetoba.
New Brunswick. The province that enacted a special law to force teachers to out trans and gay kids to their parents based off of 3 fraudulent conspiracy letters, one of which literally mentioned litterboxes in classrooms.
I fully agree that Canada’s not a progressive safe haven, but I think for now queer people are still better off pretty much anywhere in Canada than in Texas. Let’s all agree that this isn’t much of an accomplishment.
However, I live in New-Brunswick, whose Conservative government has been at the forefront of the recent uprise in anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric in Canada. At work, I wear a pronoun pin. I’ve worn dresses and nail polish (as a person who was AMAB) out anywhere, from sketchy clubs downtown to Tim Horton’s in rural villages. I’ve been made to feel uncomfortable at times, sure, but I’ve very rarely felt truly unsafe being visibly queer in Canada. From the perspectives of southern American queers I’ve read, that doesn’t seem to be the experience in places like Texas (outside of progressive bubbles such as Austin).
That’s not to say the situation in Canada vis-à-vis LGTBQ+ rights and well-being isn’t incredibly worrying. With folks like Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe, and potentially Pierre Poilievre running things, plus the everlasting importing of American political talking points, Canada could very well become as inhospitable for queer people as anywhere in the US. In NB, Higgs is already gearing to use the “parents rights” anti-queer dogwhistle as his main campaign issue for the next election. My friends and I have all been called groomers by anti-queer protesters, some have even had their pride flags ripped away from them and stomped on.
Sorry this comment kinda got long and ranty. TL;DR: Shit sucks for queer people in Canada and will quite possibly get much worse very quickly but I still think we’re better off than Texan queers (for now).
Varies a lot by region. Out here on Vancouver Island you can see it in microcosm. Still, I would be curious about teasing out stats on how different.
My impression from relatives in even Alberta would (anecdotally) seem to back this up. Edmonton would be fine, but Lloydminster maybe a little rough.
Yeah, we’re maybe 15 years behind the US on that stuff. Of course, very few young people are into it, so there’s a demographic headwind. We also have faster immigration, and if the US goes really ugly that’s going to lead to a crackdown on the troglodytes here.
they should all move to Russia, where they will be much more free to say what they like about groomers
It’s likely many of them already are operating out of St. Petersburg.
They can go back to America where they’ll be left destitute and homeless by their many fascist institutions (all of which they supported)
Gotta love Canadians that think they are ruled by American laws. Every Canadian should know slander and libel laws here are much more restrictive on speech.
about as inspiring as Canadians that WANT to be ruled by American laws.
This seems to be the whole point of the Conservative Party these days. Wannabe US Republicans.
They may be shitty but they have a long way to go to be GQP shitty.
Agreed. It’s creeping in but they’re still just the party of rich people who want less taxes in large part.
Defamation isn’t protected under US laws either. It might not be super well enforced, especially on the internet, but that’s also not really exclusive to the US. A lot of countries are just now really getting into the legalities of what happens on the internet, for better or worse in certain cases. But generally speaking, laws also apply to what you say online of course.
There is a fundamental difference in the way defamation is treated in Canada(and other Common law countries like the UK and Australia) and the US. This is a simplification, but basically in the US you generally need to prove that the statement was knowingly false (in addition to other defamation requirements like proving damages). This is nearly impossible to do in most situations. In Common law the person who said the statement needs to prove they had a reasonable justification for thinking the statement true. This reverses who the onus of proof is on and makes winning defamation cases in Canada actually plausible.
Not to mention gun rights in Canada…of which there are none.
