• NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    If anyone is still wondering why Hamas and other resistance factions are fighting, this is what happens when the IDF wins.

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      9 months ago

      Calling Hamas a resistance faction is like calling the Klan an equal rights organization.

      When mass demonstrations break out under your rule under the tag “Bedna Na3iish!”, or, “WE WANT TO LIVE!”, you are not an organization acting in the interests of those people.

      These monsters are literally the ones who caused the Arab Spring remix of “I can’t breathe!” to happen, calling them the resistance to Israel instead of the equal partner to the oppression of the Palestinian people they are is offensive to the nth degree and reeks of redwashed white savior westsplaining.

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        9 months ago

        Was Native American raids on “Settlements” terrorism? Was Nat Turner’s rebellion terrorism?

        Hamas is evil and the acts they have done are evil. But they weren’t created in a vacuum. Peace and a one or two state solution needs to be agreed apone by all with a right to self determination for the cycle of evil to stop.

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          9 months ago

          Do you like this group of people? If yes, freedom fighters; if not, terrorists

          Do you like this state? If yes, government; if not, regime.

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        9 months ago

        I bet you’d call the Viet Cong terrorists during the Vietnam war too lol.

        This is similar to that in some regards too; similar guerilla tactics, and they’re also fighting to drive away an occupying force and reunify their country.

        Their attack on Oct 7 was brutal, but it’s nothing compared to the shit Israel has been repeatedly doing for the last half century.

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          9 months ago

          You know it’s whitesplaining because their response to the Palestinian telling them to stop lionizing Hamas is to admit that all PoC militant groups look the same to them

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      9 months ago

      Fuck Hamas. They are not “resisting”, they killed innocent civilians, women and children, and don’t give a flying fuck about the Palestinian civilians either (cf Moussa Abu Marzouk’s declaration that they are not responsible for defending the civilians in Gaza). They are a creation of the Israeli apartheid regime’s own making when they were hoping to destroy the credibility of the PA, to perpetuate their colonialist narrative. Hamas and the Israeli apartheid are two sides of the same brutal, inhuman coin. Fuck Hamas as much as the Likud and the ultranationalist Israeli right to the seventh pit of hell.

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        9 months ago

        It’s hard to not let your emotions take over, but Hamas only exists because of the hatred of Israel.

        Hamas exists because Israel doesn’t want Palestines to exist.

        Terrorist organisation typically don’t continue to exist for extended periods of time without external assistance.

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          9 months ago

          This is silly, not mentioning Iran as the actual people training and funding Hamas is either very deceptive or evidence you have no idea about anything happening in the middle East.

          Also acting like Hamas are the only terrorist organisation in the middle East and a total novelty is absolutely absurd, when people call them freedom fighters without any reference to what they’re actually saying they’re fighting for is again totally deceptive or from a total lack of understanding - they don’t want freedom they want a theocratic dictatorship and death to all non Muslims.

          That’s not too say everything Israel have done of good or moral but painting Hamas as innocent people just fighting for their freedom is laughable

          • Specal@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            Oh blah blah blah, this whole situation is alot simpler that Israeli defence Muppets like.

            Israel is NOT a poor developing nation. Their military is on par with the UK. Their economy is doing fantastic. Quality of life in Israel is growing.

            Israel wether you like it or not are always going to be the bad guys in the situation simply because they should know better. They have been taunting, attacking and murdering Palestinians for 70 years. The only countries other than Israel that are to blame are the US and the UK.

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              9 months ago

              So being successful when everyone is trying to kill you makes them bad but rich countries like Iran failing repeatedly to complete the genocides they fund makes them loveable roagues who can do no wrong?

              You’ll excuse me if I don’t subscribe to your philosophy of life.

              • Specal@lemmy.world
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                9 months ago

                Because you’re acting like it’s an army Vs an army, it’s not it’s an army Vs civilians

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        9 months ago

        on the radio I heard two scholars discussing recent polls that reveal a surprisingly strong level of support for Hamas among gazans even now, despite the level of backlash that has resulted. when asked why, they said that Palestinians have long given up any hope that negotiations could achieve their goal of freedom and independence. they said that since negotiating has clearly failed for decades, Palestinians feel that the only remaining option Israel has left them is aggression and violence. and Hamas is the leadership that is willing to resort to violence.

        while I certainly feel awful about any innocent Israelis getting caught up in the original attack, I can’t help but feel like Israel has done this to themselves. they have caged an entire group like wild animals for decades and somehow have the audacity to blame them for lashing out.

        but let’s be honest here. we have all heard these points and most of us have already made up our minds about it.

    • samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
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      9 months ago

      First of all, Hamas is a terrorist organization and I fully support Israel in removing it. It definitely is not a resistance group.

      However, Israel has to change the way they approach the problem. Especially limiting shenanigans like this one and using stupid bombs.

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        9 months ago

        Ones terrorist group is another’s resistance heroes. Which is which very much depends on the side you’re sitting at.

        Hamas is indeed a terror group and should be removed but it’s hard not to see your bias. In sheer numbers, the IDF has killed multiples of what Hamas killed, in cruelty they’re really the same, and Hamas has the “excuse” of 70 years or so of oppression, murder, theft, etc by the Israeli side, the IDF doesn’t have that excuse.

        The IDF is a terrorist organisation too and the only difference is that the IDF is state sanctioned and managed, whereas Hamas is not.

        You, however, call what is starting to look like a genocide “shenanigans” that should be better managed whereas you outright call Hamas a terrorist group. Bias much?