Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) bashed former President Trump online and said Christians who support him “don’t understand” their religion.
“I’m going to go out on a NOT limb here: this man is not a Christian,” Kinzinger said on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to Trump’s Christmas post. “If you are a Christian who supports him you don’t understand your own religion.”
Kinzinger, one of Trump’s fiercest critics in the GOP, said in his post that “Trump is weak, meager, smelly, victim-ey, belly-achey, but he ain’t a Christian and he’s not ‘God’s man.’”
Yeah those people are becoming all white nordic thor religions because Christ really has too much of a pussy vibe for their hate.
https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak
He’s got an unrealistically high opinion of Christianity.
I was going to say… Has this rhetorical move ever convinced anyone of anything? I see Republicans pull it all the time on minority groups. “Uh, actually, all you black democrat voters are on a plantation and its not in your best interests to vote consistently for a single party.” And then, when it comes time for the GOP to put up or shut up, the best candidates they can produce are Herman Cain and Tim Scott.
Meanwhile, you’ve got a bunch of Cafeteria Catholics from Rhode Island tut-tutting the Evangelicals down in Texas who have convinced themselves that the End of Days is right around the corner, because Donald Trump has fucked more children than your average priest. Nah, dude. That won’t work any better than your boy Beto saying he’s going to take everyone’s guns. They’re not listening to you any more than you’re listening to Ben Shapiro call our California for hosting too many gay teen abortion parades.
The folks who pop off with these “By your own logic…” retorts are inevitably just preaching to their own choirs. That’s before they get back to the import Congressional business of gutting public education and exporting another billion dollars of cluster bombs into the Middle East.
No. It hasn’t, and it never will.
You can’t shake a belief. You can change an idea, you can rationalize with opinions. But once it’s a belief, nothing short of a world shattering hardship or literally putting them through the same treatment that you give to cult members is going to break them out of it.
These people have built a belief system that puts them at the top, no matter what branch of Christianity you’re looking at, you’re looking at the most righteous, the most correct, the most justified in their actions. If someone says to them “hey you’ve got it wrong” then clearly the only rational explanation is that no, you actually.
This isn’t unique to Christianity, not by a long shot. Most religious systems do this. But Christianity is the unique problem we have.
This isn’t unique to Christianity, not by a long shot.
In order to believe that, you’d have to believe Christianity really was magic. Nah, its an ingrained feature of the human psyche. One reason why “get’m while they’re young” is such an effective movement-building strategy.
But Christianity is the unique problem we have.
Even within the greater sphere of Christianity, there are plenty of people who hold very benign beliefs. Meanwhile, being not-Christian doesn’t seem to spare you from the brain poisoning. Hell, within the atheist community, we’ve got more than a few freaks and weirdos, too. At some level, this is far more about a particular brand of western ideology - a fundamentally fascist bent in social organization - that effectively drives people insane.
“Judgment is mine,” saith The Lord.
Mr Kinzinger is also off the reservation.
I kind of want to tell him that republicans who don’t support trump don’t understand their party.
He wants to be in the Party That Cuts Taxes And Bombs Brown People, but not… you know… the Party That Tweets Rudely.
Or, you know, not the party that is openly authoritarian and anti-democracy. We don’t have to like Kinzinger’s politics, but let’s not be fucking morons and misrepresent the reasons why he’s turned against his own party. That’s good for no one.
not the party that is openly authoritarian and anti-democracy
Its a two-party system. If you write off one of the parties, what kind of democracy do you even have left? Yeah, the liberals are all about a softer, gentler, more egalitarian form of drone strike / police state / economic shock doctrine. But moving towards the lesser of two evils still leaves you in Hell.
let’s not be fucking morons and misrepresent the reasons why he’s turned against his own party
He’s turned against the party because they turned against him. Kritzenger was packed into the same district as Darin LaHood and chose to join the CNN talking heads parade rather than duke it out in a contested primary. Now he’s got far more invested in the Beltway Anti-Trump media cohort than his old pro-Trump Illinois GOP constituency. This is a career move, not an ideological shift. FFS, the man was close friends with Mike Pence his entire political career. He would be perfectly happy endorsing his home state’s brand of right-wing talk radio weirdo if Pence hadn’t dripped out of the '24 primary months ago.
“If those kids could read they would be very upset”
Kinzinger doesn’t understand their religion
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) bashed former President Trump online and said Christians who support him “don’t understand” their religion.
Kinzinger has become isolated from most of the Republican Party after serving on the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.
“Merry Christmas to all, including Crooked Joe Biden’s ONLY HOPE, Deranged Jack Smith, the out of control Lunatic who just hired outside attorneys, fresh from the SWAMP (unprecedented!
Trump has repeatedly gone after Smith, who is prosecuting him over his actions related to the 2020 election and the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
“Included also are World Leaders, both good and bad, but none of which are as evil and ‘sick’ as the THUGS we have inside our Country who, with their Open Borders, INFLATION, Afghanistan Surrender, Green New Scam, High Taxes, No Energy Independence, Woke Military, Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Iran, All Electric Car Lunacy, and so much more, are looking to destroy our once great USA.
He has a 52.4 percent lead based on an aggregation of more than 300 polls, according to The Hill’s partner Decision Desk HQ.
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He’s not wrong, but this is honestly the ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy.
The bible does technically say you should treat your fellows as you would want to be treated and promotes brotherhood, but it also says women and other races are inferior and advocates for truly heinous behaviour. Cherry picking has always been the point, and shitloads of crimes against humanity have been officially sanctioned by the church.
There’s a very good reason the founders these people claim to venerate wanted the church and state to be separate. They were deists, but not overt Christians, and they’d seen what happens when religion mingles with government: horrible, horrible things.
It’s “no true Scotsman” if the person were waving an English flag, pissing on a set of bagpipes, and loudly proclaiming that Scottish people are useful idiots who will eat whatever bullshit you feed them.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious, but in case you are, these definitions may help:
No true Scotsman fallacy: No true Scotsman fallacy is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when one tries to define a term or group in a way that excludes certain counterexamples by arbitrarily changing the definition to fit their argument.
metaphor: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
Yes, except the example here is someone who very clearly does NOT fit in the group. It’s basically saying Donald Trump isn’t a real Christian, not because of some arbitrary definition of what it means to be Christian, but because he is literally not a real Christian. No True Scotsman doesn’t apply here because the subject is as far removed from a Scotsman as a squirrel living in Japan is.
Obviously Trump is not a Christian. That’s not what he’s saying.
He’s talking about people who follow trump and who call themselves Christian. Literally no true Scotsman. They 100% think they’re Christian, and they have just as much a claim on the title as anyone.
eta: relevant quote:
“I’m going to go out on a NOT limb here: this man is not a Christian,” Kinzinger said on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to Trump’s Christmas post. “If you are a Christian who supports him you don’t understand your own religion.”
