I’m called a Nazi because I happily am proud of white culture. But every day I think fondly of the brown king Cyrus the Great who invented the first ever empire, and the Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu who wrote the first novel ever. What if humans just loved each other? History teaches us that we have all been, and always will be - great
read the whole thread, her responses are even worse
I don’t trust musicians that I learn about via something other than their music and even after 4 years of knowing who they are I remain uncurious to sample any of the music they have created.
If a musician’s music is never heard, are they still a musician? If they are not a musician, and not a nazi, then what are they?
in contrast, I did not forsee the trajectory of Grimes’ views and personal life events after finding “Oblivion” to be a bop in 2012
tbf Cyrus the Great was Aryan AF
@dgerard A shallow flash card version of history, oddly excluding the Egyptians, and probably others, from “first ever empire”, but racists are always strange about who they let in or kick out of their clubhouse.
No empire was ever born before 600 BCE (no no, the egyptians don’t count), and no clear works of fiction, intended mostly to be dessiminated thorugh text ever existed before the 11th Century (You can dismiss anything prior as mere works of philosophy, poetry or mythology)
@zogwarg Bronze Age Empires:
Hittite
Minoan
Mycenaean (briefly but opportunistically picking up the very wet Minoan pieces after the Thera eruption & tsunami.)
Old Babylonia (i.e. not the Neo-Babylonians who revered that past)Given their intermittent hegemony over Kush and Canaan, I don’t agree that Egypt doesn’t count as an empire. One can also make such a case for Zhou-era China, particularly before its splintering into the “Warring States” interregnum.
Always screenshot.
The African slave trade of slavs? I think she means Arab. Or Arab/Muslim-osphere.
I wouldn’t think sub-Saharan Africans ran a lot of ships up to the Baltic or the Black Sea to capture slavs for enslavement. Ottomans, yes. Barbary pirates, perhaps. Of course some of the most prominent of the Barbary pirates were actually raised Christian or Jewish in Europe, and joined the pirates as adults.
And I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Europeans also captured slavs for sale to the Ottomans.
I mean, I get what her stupid ass is trying to say but all she is doing is showcasing white privilege. Only someone who lives and has lived a privileged life can unironically try to gloss over the systematic oppression or annihilation of entire groups of people, especially as it continues today.
Bringing up the ancient slav slave trade and pretend there is some sort of equivalence to ongoing repercussions of slavery in america is peak out of touch.
It’s not peak out of touch, it’s a classic American racist whataboutist trope. It’s a variant of the “Irish were slaves, too!” lies. Out of touch implies accidental.
It’s even worse because she’s talking about Saqaliba, which is *technically* enslaved slavs in Africa, but she knows perfectly well that “enslaved by Arabs in North Africa” is not the kind of “African Slave Trade” she’s implying.
The Irish discourse in race nu-uh ism. Like yeah, white people did some shit to the Irish. But then the Irish got upgraded to White status. The exact boundary of what we consider ‘white’ has changed and imposing it retroactively on historical figures and trying to imagine a unified ‘white culture’ of the pre-colonial world is silly.
Like if you want to be proud of your euro heritage, great, get some flags and learn to cook your favorite old country dish. But if you conceptualize it as this grand unified ‘white heritage’, we can see the klan hood.
alt girl amazes fans by posting on twitter in PERFECT nazi
That’s right, Grimes is proud of her white culture, but it’s fine, because she also loves Cyrus the Great, founder of the Achaemenid brown Empire, formed by conquering Astyages, king of the browns, and Nabonidus, king of the neo-brown empire.
Grimes understand being proud of “white culture”, because Québécois share exactly the same culture as all the other white folks in Canada, and aren’t at all touchy about that.
There’s a lot of stupidity to unpack in that first tweet.
- “I’m called a Nazi” honestly first I’m hearing of it, so to me this is self identification
- “White culture” I imagine grimes here is saying “anything that someone who would at first glance look like a modern white person has done in all of history”
- “Brown king Cyrus the Great” I’m not racist because one of the historical figures i think about every day is brown!
- “who invented the first empire” ah yeah he MacGuyver’d one together with pure brown ingenuity, sticktoitiveness, and a plastic straw
- “Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu[‘s] … first novel ever” tangent: perhaps this is just my own brand of degeneracy on display here: grimes is referring to “The Tale of Genji”, which I mainly know about because some of the core relationships in the book revolve around adults grooming their wards into spouses (it was a different time), which has popped up nowadays in the discourse of some fiction coming out of Japan (see Usagi Drop). So I’m tempted to project onto grimes a veneration for grooming, which kinda tracks, but it’s a stretch.
- “What if humans just loved each other?” You’re like 3 years late to former IDF member Gal Gadot’s imagine video
Gotta love the way that TESCREALnts write and how they have a tendency to generate fractally stupid things like this. There’s so much more you could say. Basically, if I could say “that’s not how any of this works” to Grimes, I would.
Ridiculous takes from children on the internet throwing a tantrum aside nobody I’ve ever known has been accused of being a Nazi.
Which is not to say I’ve only known good people; rather that you can behave in some pretty odious ways and people still distinguish between racist shitbag and Nazi.
So umm what the fuck are people that complain about being called Nazi’s admitting to? If they’re actually being called out it’s sure as shit not because they like cathedrals and soccer or whatever.
I’m just assuming it was in fact just a ridiculous take from a child throwing a tantrum because it makes the whole “I’m not a nazi, BUT…” bit that much more unprompted and funnier.
Like I know famous people get all kinds of bizarre shit on the internet but if some rando DM’d to call me a nazi I would simply choose not to let the public know I actually just love white culture.
That would be pretty hilarious. someone’s like “hey Billy, check out this prank: @Grimes you’re a Nazi” and she reads it and involuntarily starts shouting “Arbeit Macht Frei”
Imagine thinking there is actually some identifiable thing called “white culture”. As if a skin color defines a culture.
Yeah, sounds like a Nazi.
white culture
personality like lutefisk
Also not the point but imagine the level of ignorance you have to hold to think the first empire was 2500 years ago. Cyrus’s empire was literally formed by eating earlier empires. And aren’t the racists super into people like the Akkadians and the Egyptians*? You can’t convince me that Grimes hasn’t gone through a Thelema phase, she must know about the Egyptians.
(* See also why claiming that praising pre-Christian Mediterraneans as proof you like a brown guy is extra-disingenuous.)
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Gringo*
Why the hell would anyone think about Cyrus the Great every day, let alone fondly.
Please note that empires were actually invented by A Brown, of whom I think fondly every day. Therefore I am not a nazi.
Isn’t he the one that the US Religious Right used as a rationalisation for a philandering president being an instrument of God?
It is sad both, our lack of good high quality LW-space sneers so we are falling back on sneering at Musk-space sneers, and the fact that for all her proto-white nationalist white exceptional racism she cannot even pick the common LW type ones, makes me wonder if she just has never heard of HBD yet, or didn’t get it. Also makes me wonder if she is aware of the white nationalist trick people like Jared Taylor like to pull. Talks a lot about white culture, and only scarcely mention that he thinks white culture is a product of genetics. I also will not call her a nazi, as I think the tragic time of the nazis is over, and we are now in the farce era of the neo-nazis. ;). (Also I can be a bit pedantic and not sure this is enough yet, but sadly I often am proven wrong about these kinds of things).
Reminds me of how Musk has read/heard about some of the AGI LW stuff but just simply doesn’t seem to get the complex parts of it, so he starts to say making AGI not kill humanity is easy just program it to have soft hands and not kill everybody.
oh I’ve found many fine sneers right there on LW, but I think this one is good enough for sheer prominence.
i would not assume Grimes was aware of things or had what could meaningfully be called political opinions
Yeah, I didn’t mean it as a bad sneer, I meant it more like how incredibly bad Musk/Grimes etc are at the basics of all this. LW stuff needs you to read and dig, and they just go ‘well im a socialist, I just don’t believe workers should have any power’. (does explain why the lowest common denom cryptocoin scammers target musk fans).
Talk a lot about white culture, and only scarcely mention that he thinks white culture is a product of genetics.
I remember in the early days of the “culture wars” as far as political agendas going, hearing about “white/ethno-european pride,” and being naively curious, I actually tried to engage these people on the topics of European culture and history, and found exactly zero engagement on these topics. Just politics abusing people’s confusion of heritage with people’s internal shame and lack of identity.
The paradox I’ve always found is that the more secure in your identity and heritage you are, the more happy you are to share, grow, and widen that. Maybe a hot take, but growing up in the south, alot of people there hide their personal internal shame and confusion in aggression and identity politics.
There was the white nationalist guy who when asked about which white culture should be saved just said ‘metallica’ which always struck me as typical.
She’s 35 and her sum total understanding of culture and race has lead to this. I think she has been effectively a Nazi from way back.
OTOH, she also has said things like that she’s a socialist but believes in free markets rather than government intervention, so it’s probably fair to say that she’s not the sharpest egg in the attic
I think, I feel sorry for her, in the kind of I don’t really endorse or have anything to do with sort of way.
She is the limit of what happens when you idolize certain people, are betrayed by certain people, and never grow from that experience.
Ok sure, so she’s an idiot nazi then, and has been for a while.
Can you honestly say there is any other kind of nazi?
I really do want to participate in this snark and agree, but unfortunately there are at least two kinds of nazis: credulous folk (like grimes) that lack the wherewithal to critically assess fascist ideology, and people ideologically motivated to be nazis (e.g. rich capitalists), who can be “smart”, for many definitions/synonyms of smart.
unfortunately I don’t think being smart does anything to prevent people from going fash
she’s a lying fascist. “nah I’m actually the socialists and here’s what real socialism looks like” is one of the oldest moves in the fascist playbook. she’s very bad at it, but it still did its job and convinced a lot of folks who don’t know any better that she was the leftist who would fix musk by giving him dmt or whatever
Real socialism has a little nationalism in it
Key exception when that nationalism is resisting imperialism, like in Vietnam.
(yes, tho i was more making a joke about how “nazism” is shorthand for “national socialism”)
you’d think she was some sort of trust fund baby artist white woman
