Three reminders:
The president isn’t the only position of power in the US, it’s just the most public and obvious one.
A vote against or withdrawn from Biden is a vote for Trump.
If Biden wins, we can try a new candidate in the next election. If Trump wins there won’t be a next election.
If you don’t vote for biden you aren’t voting for trump. Anyone who claims otherwise should lose the right to vote.
If you think anyone should lose their right to vote, you’re part of the problem. Nobody should have a say in who gets to vote and who doesn’t.
Nah.
Boogeyman invocation, yawn
The hood doesn’t live in democracy; all Trump will do is bring our conditions to your gated communities
If Biden wins, we can try a new candidate in the next election.
I probably won’t like that one either.
Might as well throw away democracy then, huh?
Actually yes. If our democracy is so broken that not voting for a piece of shit is considered bad, then anyone who defends it should be banned for life from voting.
I mean, I haven’t been happy with democratically elected leaders for my entire life, so I’m used to it by now. I’ve given up hope. It’s actually kinda nice.
Genocide in the middle east
Genocide at homePick one
Honestly, a genocide at home may make people feel a bit empathetic for what happens abroad. But that’s not an optimal outcome for anyone.
I’m now convinced that a lot of this is trolling. People who say “Well I’m Muslim and it bothers me that Biden supports Israel so I won’t vote for him” have to be completely out of touch with reality or are completely fake. Same thing here–not voting for Biden ensures that Trump wins, and your theoretical third-party person has no chance of doing anything except dilute the vote.
So? I’m really not buying this narrative or these polls anymore. The respondents are either morons or plants.
Healthy democracy you’ve got here, where people who have real complaints about the parties of capital and genocide are dismissed as “trolls.”
How about “fuck you,” supporting israel in any manner should should be automatic disqualification from any possible democratic process. If you don’t accept that you don’t deserve any of the rights described in the bill of rights.
This is what an unrepentant settler fascist looks and sounds like.
You think Trump would do better or worse in this situation? Because those are the two options Americans get, as much as it sucks.
I will not be voting for Biden
“I cannot conceive of the idea that people can dislike my preferred political choice for any valid reason. Not picking my preferred choice would mean a thing I don’t prefer would happen. Nobody could possibly want that.”
I love that this is how libs are going to deal with their deeply unpopular genocidaire, just pretend he’s actually popular and fine. Real winning strategy there, I hope democracy isn’t on the line.
here–not voting for Biden ensures that Trump wins
Too late – I didn’t vote for Trump so Biden wins
I’m not voting for either which means I’m actually voting for both of them which means I’m legally voting twice.
Why do libs insist on only voting once when they could vote for neither and vote twice. Why are they neglecting their right to vote by only voting half as much as if they didn’t vote for anybody.
Also this argument makes lots of sense.
People who say “Well I’m Muslim and it bothers me that Biden supports Israel so I won’t vote for him” have to be completely out of touch with reality or are completely fake
“If you aren’t voting for me, you’re not Muslim, Jack”
Yeah, the people who don’t want to vote for the fascist sending bombs to an ethnostate to kill their friends and families? They’re the out of touch morons.
One is a neoliberal that embraces a political philosophy where you turn a blind eye to suffering abroad for stability and prosperity at home.
The other is a wannabe dictator that repeatedly echos hitler and will lead to civil war where your neighbors, family, and yourself are put at risk of death and the destruction of your livelyhood.
One of them is more imminently dangerous to the voters who are tasked with casting votes.
Where’s the prosperity at home, Jack?
Aren’t you a multimillionare capitalist yet?
Do you think Biden doing the same shit as Trump but under the banner of civil rights and progressivism could be deletrious to the goals of those movements here?
Admittedly he did throw $4B at green hydrogen as we fall behind Namibia and Mongolia in green energy production. 😒
If there were a viable third option I would vote for them. Being moral in this situation means Trump would get elected and my family would be victims of political violence while that same apathetic blind eye turns away from us. It’s a personal threat to my physical safety if Trump is elected.
I politically align with Repugnicans by about 2%, Democrats by about 10%. I don’t want either. But I only have 1/300,000,000 shares of power in America to enact my will and it is “i don’t want to be dragged from my home and shot”. And yes, that does mean I am voting in the interest of myself not being dragged from my home and shot while the president actively throws bombs on a warzone where that happens to other people on the other side of the planet. It fucking sucks. But being moral here will result in my fucking death.
Biden isn’t saving anyone. Reactionaries think neoliberal policies being implemented by Biden are communism, they think Lula is communist.
The democratic party is a shambling pile of donors that’s why they need Hillary. They feed off of us.
Biden is worse than Trump, and Trump 2 will ge worse than Biden. Every president is exponentially worse than the last.
He’s not turning a blind eye, he’s actively facilitating a genocide.
Many people are more moral than you and refuse to support anyone supporting a genocide.
“Turning a blind eye” - that guy
“There will absolutely not be any conditions on our aid to Isreal, the only condition is defending isreal” - Biden
Sounds like he’s got his eye pretty squarely on the prize to me
If there were a viable third option I would vote for them. Being moral in this situation means Trump would get elected and my family would be victims of political violence while that same apathetic blind eye turns away from us. It’s a personal threat to my physical safety if Trump is elected.
Oh well shit, better kill millions of others to slightly delay it then. Carry on, my good liberal.
right, so you care more about you and yours than millions of people in palestine. sounds about white
Yes. It’s not my job to stop all the wars in the world. I’m not going to sacrifice myself for that because it wouldn’t make a difference.
Motherfucker it’s your job as an alleged human being to at least not actively support it
I’m not asking you to be a superhero who ends all war, I’m telling you that when you support Joe Biden you’re actively supporting a current ongoing genocide that he’s facilitating. It’s not that I’m criticizing you for not doing enough for others, I’m criticizing you for actively aiding a genocide. All you have to do is stop doing that.
People who decline to aid and abet a genocide are a better people than people who agree to help aid and abet that genocide.
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You, as ever, unable to provide a single idea of what the alternative is.
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Yet are unwilling to state what that disagreement actually is. You’re definitely a reactionary. You’re here for the angries.
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somebody is definitely a reactionary lol
Ultimately this won’t change unless young Democrats actually take over the party and shift the overton window back to the left.
This generally, and specifically electoral reform is the only way to get the USA out of its two-party hellhole.
That was tried in 2016. The DNC’s got too much of a stranglehold-- they’ll just keep putting up malfeasant, genocidal capitalists. There is no alliance in the Democrat party, young or no. Just like the cops, I believe the Democrats are only good for abolition-- not reform.
The only way out of the 2 party system is to stay in the 2 party system? Math ain’t mathin.
Good luck getting any reform done within America’s FPTP by going 3rd-party.
Politics is a battle of inches, and you need to walk before you can run, or else 3rd-parties are doomed to irrelevance forever.
How many inches have the dems walked backwards? Yeah I’ll vote for moving forward. You do you boo.
“If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”
Fuck Biden. Fuck Trump too, but fuck Biden first and foremost. There will never be a day that I support the genocidal segregationist that thinks he can put delimiters on whether or not I’m Black; especially not after he put half my family in prison with his crime bill horseshit, and is now trying to kill the rest of them with his shit economy.
Death to the Democrats, death to the Republicans, death to the Empire.
You forgot “poor kids are just as bright as white kids”
Just don’t vote for someone funding a genocide
I feel as though clearing debt for the select few without actually solving the problem is a weak bid anyways. IMO that’s buying votes.
But Bidens been what he needed to be: neutral and boring, with some attempts to break monopolies on the sidelines.
Trump is insane. The mans selling crypto Pokemon cards of himself in jail. The two braincell populace will have him voted in.
But Bidens been what he needed to be: neutral and boring,
So we’re just ignoring his genocidal tendencies? Yeah, y’all ignoring his genocidal tendencies. Can’t wait til that shit comes home to roost for y’all. May the blood you wash your hands in drown you.
I voted for Biden to stop fascism and now he’s supporting genocide.
You put down half a thought. So what are you going to do, vote for an actual fascist or not vote so that an actual fascist wins?
fucking libs
I’m going to write in Hillary it’s her turn
They’re both fascists dippy.
biden is an actual fascist
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won’t because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they’ve even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
LOL what a narcissist.
they’re making fun of civility libs who pulled that shit on leftists.
You’re laughing. You’re a pawn of Trump and Putin and you’re laughing.
By voting for Biden I’m a tool of Trump and Putin. Riiiiight.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won’t because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they’ve even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
Copy pasta. Got it, you’re a troll and are now blocked.
What’s the matter, peckerwood; don’t like you guys’s favorite thought-terminators getting flippantly flung back in your face? Gee, who’d have fucking thought?
Understand, if the choice is between genocidal crypto-fascism and genocidal fascism-obvious, I have no issue with watching your country die instead. Better we go out than the whole rest of the world under our boot. I would rather die, and I would rather we as a collective fell, than ever support another fascist for any fucking reason.
I don’t tend to let people insult me then attempt to influence me. Learn a little about the art of persuasion and try again. Also, get a grip. This isn’t Facebook or Reddit. Try not to act like those people.
Bullying works.
This isn’t Facebook or Reddit
Your instance is full of ledditors, where do you get off saying this?
Unearned and unjustified superiority, just like the rest of the settler trash in their party afaic
Was it the term “peckerwood” that you found insulting? Would being referred to as “crackkker” hurt your feewings as much?
Yes. Why are you acting like a Republican?
As a proud Biden supporter, I know two things: 1. 2024 is the most important election of our lives and we must do anything and everything to maximize the voter turnout for Biden, even If it means reaching out to our political enemies and making unsavory compromises; and 2. If you don’t immediately agree to vote for Biden then you’re just a fucking [slur, slur, slur] and I’m going to go out of my way to antagonize and alienate you and anyone else who may be reading these threads – that’s called the art of persuasion!
You have zero self-awareness.
Shut the fuck up loser
lmao you’re doing the civility lib bit
Like narc-jacketing isn’t a tried and true tactic of redditors. Like this “vote blue no matter who” horseshit you peddle wasn’t hand-crafted by OccupyDemocrats eight years ago. If you don’t sit your hypocritical ass down and get out of my inbox with your settler peckerwoodery… See, you liberal invertebrates miss this little point every single fucking time. You come to people who have NO INTEREST in backing your genocidal-assed party, or even your genocidal-assed nation, really; and then Demand our support. It’s you who owes the ‘persuasion’ in the first place.
And you are failing. Fascism comes to y’alls cute little gated neighborhoods because of you and Everyone who acts like you. I hope I live long enough to watch the settler house of cards collapse on itself. I wonder if you’re even aware enough to realize how hard of a non-starter supporting your party became with the GENOCIDE that Joe decided to full-throatedly back. Like… Do you realize what I see supporting your party as equivalent to anymore with that? Do you even want to know?
Keep “Voting Blue No Matter Who” and watch as every promise they ran on vanish without a fight because YOU have taken away any incentive to.
Here’s the thing. There’s a big brigade thing going on right now where I’m apparently the worst human who’s ever lived for asking a question. But, one thing that nobody seems to be able to do is tell me what the alternative is to voting Biden. Nobody can answer that question–it’s just “you’re stupid because Biden” and that’s the end of it. So, I’m really asking–what is the proposed alternative action?
You’re not being brigaded, I literally browse All Comments & All Posts (I have blocked a lot of communities). I don’t have any games on my phone I like to post in random comments sections/replies all over the internet and read a lot.
Choosing to vote for, campaign for, run candidates within, or form a political coalition with a party, those are all things you have to weigh differently. Walking away from a party is a valid move. Half of the country doesn’t vote for either candidate. Why try to work with people who oppose your political goals on every level and will never give you access to the donor warchest even if you win a primary?
Why vote for someone who paints a target on minorities and anyone to the left of Adolf Hitler? This is my hottest take.
Some people argue you should vote for Trump because he’s an isolationist or something, but that’s complete nonsense, he’s the one who murdered Gen Soleimani
I still don’t get what you really want to argue for, though. Is it just to not participate until better candidates come around?
And, having in excess of 15 comments insulting my person in one thread is being brigaded.
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think the race for president is an important place to invest political energy, of which I have a finite amount. Local agitation & elections are more flexible honestly. Stop a city council from destroying some ecosystem further. Elect a lady who hates Jeff Bezos (idk if this made any difference but it took little energy to do my part).
I don’t think I actually care who wins ❓ they subsequently either ride the wave of shit, or they wipe out. Regardless of what people think the kinder Zionist Sen. Sanders would have accomplished in the general election (when the dems would have assuredly pulled funding), being in the Oval Office itself would be a completely different story. Nixon wasn’t enough of a ghoul for Washington half of the time, mein gott.
To expand on my seething hot take here the use of LGBTQ+ people & symbols as imperialist mascots by the United States, Europeans, and Israel is an international disaster. Similar to the way Zionists abuse conscientious Jews with their rhetoric
This is why I don’t participate in Pride. It’s all corporate bullshit.
If you want an actual answer, the most peaceful possible solution at this juncture is communist revolution.
Sadly, the moment people try, it’s no longer communism. The entire populace would need to see the world differently than they do now.
Sadly, the moment people try, it’s no longer communism
I’ll rephrase: each time it has been attempted it wasn’t really a communist revolution, but rather a group responsible for regime change using the term as they appoint a new elite.
Do you believe Trump would have handled this conflict any better?
I believe he would have responded roughly the same.
I also believe he would have fumbled the delicate balance Biden is trying to strike, where he has been able to protect and support Israel without provoking a wider conflict. Trump isn’t exactly a strategic statesman. Under Trump, Israel would have found itself facing total isolation from the West and a rapidly escalating conflict with all of its neighbors in the region. Whether that would result in Israel backing down with their tail between their legs or WW3 is hard to say.
I’m not voting for Trump, though. I don’t want either Biden or Trump. I want to kill myself. At least that way my vote counts.
So you’re just going to vote for open fascism this time? Only an evil person votes for the greater evil or allows a greater evil to win.
I dunno man, its either Light Fascism or The End of the USA. It’s a hard call only negated (to me) by being in a fucking red state.
If Biden got Primaried he absolutely would lose.
If Biden got Primaried he absolutely would lose.
You have a lot more faith in voters than I do. If Biden got primaried we’d get the same milquetoast liberal we’ve always gotten.
He’d be younger, at least, as it would almost certainly be Newsom.
I don’t see how he’d be that different from Biden, but he’d be nicer to look at.
He’s not anti-abortion, for one
And continuing Trump’s immigration policy, crushing unions, building the border wall, etc.
Remember folks this is what he promised us. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
Crushing unions? Didn’t he personally go to a union strike before to show his support?
See this is the problem with liberals. They care more about symbolic support and ignore actual material reality.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/
That’s some first class segregation politics behavior you’re showing there. It’s hard to take you serious from now on.
Your toxic Biden Bro behavior is going to put Trump in the White House (again).
first class segregation politics behavior you’re showing there.
who the fuck even says this?
Someone that just asked a simple question with the intention of being educated, and not to be immediately pushed into some political group the poster looks down on, and where the intention was nothing more but: you bad, we good. That’s just completely ridiculous, without knowing anything about a) my intention and b) my background.
I did appreciate the link that was mentioned
you fuckin called me a segregationist for showing you a link from Biden literally shutting down a strike. Please fuck all the way off.
Biden was literally pro segregation.
Also the link that you “appreciate” contradicts everything you said.
Again and I will continue to repeat this: Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Edit: sorry mods, I can’t be civil with someone trying to gaslight me.
I’ve got a good goddamn guess; it’s eight letters long, starts with a ‘C’, and ends with an ‘rs’.
who the fuck even says this?
Also funny they said “first class” when they clearly have zero class analysis.
You’re supporting an actual segregationist who broke a huge strike and calling people who don’t think he’s pro union “segregationists?”
Do you realize how absurd you sound?
What the fuck are you talking about? You claimed the photo op he did was better than actual support, you were shown how it absolutely wasn’t, and now you’re calling someone a segregationist for…not wanting to vote for a segregationist? Absolute bird brain. No, actually my beautiful bird is much smarter than that.
This is some first class fed posting. Kindly go fuck yourself.
I’m voting Biden
