I’m 35, I do okay. I mumble when I’m shy, and when I’m not into it, i.e. the pleasantries over the counter in a shop. I had the ‘you talk like a robot’ comments all through school. I know I speak a certain way and I’m mostly okay with it.

I bought a coffee this morning before getting the train into work. I did my usual awkward mumbling, I ordered the flat white with all the elocution I could muster so as to avoid repeating myself - I hate repeating myself - but the rest was mumbled and just audible enough for them to know that I asked to pay by card and that I was thanking them as I left.

There were two clerks, a small independent shop. The male clerk, upon me saying thanks and turning to walk to the door, gave an exaggerated mumble, which made the girl working with him laugh. I ignored it and left, but afterwards it really griped on me.

The only way to communicate with the establishment is by instagram, so I set up an account and messaged the business account (they own 3 shops in my local area). The person followed it up; naturally the pair working there said that it never happened. The owner has invited me back tomorrow, when he will be working with the male clerk, to receive an apology. I don’t think I want to go. Should I go? I’m not sure what outcome I wanted, I think I just wanted to speak out about it.

I appreciate that the quiet hours in the shop are boring, and they need to make their own entertainment, but he could have just waited for me to leave the shop before he made his joke - although I do understand that to impress the girl it must done to me brazenly, for the shock factor required to make such a witless joke funny.

I’m not quite sure why this has aggravated me so much today, but it has. I can normally roll my eyes at this kind of stuff or laugh it off, but it really wound me up. Maybe because I am a paying customer and expect that in engaging in this process I am not going to encounter this kind of playground mentality.

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    6 months ago

    I’m so sorry to hear this happened to you. If it was me, I don’t think I could face them. I would love to think that I’d respond saying I’ll never go back, even for an apology, but that alone might be too much.

    Let us know what you decide to do! No wrong move here and you owe the owner nothing.

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      6 months ago

      Thank you. You are right I don’t owe them anything. I kind of want to go confront the guy, but I don’t see what good it would do.

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    Sorry to hear that, that’s crap behaviour from the staff - particularly for an independent place. Can I ask how old the staff were?

    To do it to your face as well is just insulting. And the manager’s response really isn’t that great - asking you to come in for the apology just feels so awkward. Personally I’d say fuck that place and avoid it in future, it’s not worth your custom if that’s how they treat customers.

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      They were both early 20s at a guess. It’s a shame, I like the shop, but I don’t want to be made fun of when I go in.

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    First of all, don’t assume that these situations are directed at you. Unless it was directed at you and one of them admits it, there’s nothing for the manager to go on. I know it might seem like gaslighting, but you’ll be a lot better off if you assume that these things aren’t related to you.

    I’m sorry that this happened to you. They’re ignorant shitheads who are in the wrong job. They’re the ones with the problem, not you.

    All the manager can do in this situation is tell the employees to be more aware of how their actions could be misinterpreted. If there’s a pattern of similar complaints from multiple customers against the same employee, then they could be fired.

    Dealing with this on Instagram or any website for that matter is incredibly unprofessional. This is not something that should be discussed online and businesses shouldn’t expect engagement through social media platforms. If the manager wants the two of you to work it out, I could understand that, but it’s a weird way of handling it.

    If you think you might not keep cool, don’t go in. In situations like this, if you go off on the employee, everyone is going to assume that you’re the crazy one and the manager will ban you and call the police before. My wife has had this situation at work where any angry customer had a legitimate complaint and she would have been more then happy to coach the employee on how to be empathetic, but the customer ended up getting themselves banned for being verbally abusive and using obscene language. In most situations, the manager isn’t going to care if the customer acts rude to them and they don’t have verifiable evidence.

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    Idk. If you only wanted to speak out about it and not get a forced apology then I wouldn’t go. You could message the manager and let them know you didn’t want an apology but just wanted to say something about it and that it was upsetting and just letting them know was enough for you.

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      I would go with this. If it were me, going along would give me more anxiety. Like being called in to the manager’s office so a coworker can apologize to me for something that happened. Somehow you’re still a victim at that point.

      That analogy happened to me IRL and it was not pleasant.

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    I think your instincts are correct; you shouldn’t go to this meeting; it will just cause the clerk to resent you every time he sees you. I work at a school, and just went through some mandatory anti-bullying training. It said the teacher SHOULD NOT call out the bully publicly, or force the bully to apologize, or insist that the victim accept an apology. All these things just aggravate the situation. Quietly putting the bully into counseling, and separating the bully from victim is the recommended procedure. That is not possible at a coffee shop! Maybe, if you are willing, the next time you go in you could just behave as if nothing had happened. I’ll admit that I would find another coffee place.

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    You have every right to be upset, what they did was fucked up. You have no social obligation to go to an apology meeting with them, you should do whatever will make you feel best in both the short term and long term.

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    It’s one thing to dig at your friends, you know where their boundaries are, or at least you should - but for them to so brazenly mock a complete stranger is just horrid. They don’t know what you’re going through, your struggles - I wonder how they’d feel about it in your shoes? It’s a shame we can’t make people wear ours just to see what it’s like.

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    I wouldn’t go if I were you. Someone else is controlling the narrative and it sounds like an uncomfortable situation to be in with no gain at all. I’d tell the person suggesting it “thanks but no thanks.”

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    Not autistic. My perspective: I’d simply skip going to this particular coffee shop, tbh.

    Young people are often cunts. They think being snide or sarcastic makes them cool or appear smart. Often because they’re still very self-involved and lack life experience. It’s just bullying and nasty. You don’t deserve that. You especially don’t deserve it as a customer. Very stupid.

    If you want write a short review on google. “Autistic so I sometimes mumble. Made fun of in this coffee shop. Didn’t feel welcome. Won’t be returning.”

    Just as a warning for other customers. Not just people who are autistic, but if you’re having a shit day, have social anxiety, English isn’t your native language, you’re going through shit, have a back ache, or are simply very tired, you don’t want to made to feel like shit when ordering a coffee. Especially if you’ve just woken up.

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      Thanks. I did leave a short google review, nothing hostile or anything, just a short statement to let others know it can happen.

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    For all the social outrage culture online directed at every real and perceived way one can be insulting to people who are not cis, people who are an ethnic minority, people who are any particular religion, people who have an obvious physical disability, people who are overweight, people who are underweight, etc etc…

    I have never once met any one in the real that gives a flying fuck about trying to be nice to autistic people, nor have I ever met one online /who is not autistic themselves/.

    Normies do not give a flying fuck about neurodivergent people and will instead yap on about how they are good people because they care about latest trending meme about latest trending victim group.

    They you can use your ‘autism powers’ (objective, dispassionate analysis) to explain to them that they are hypocrites, evidenced by the very way they treat you, an actual autistic person they actually know.

    Then they will hate you because you have momentarily burst their cognitive dissonance forcefield that allows them to feel good about themselves by lying to themselves about how they are actually morally good people.

    At this point in my life I am /correctly/ terrified of trying to form any serious relationship with any non autistic person /because this always happens every single time/.

    There is no point whatsoever in devoting time energy and resources to cultivating a meaningful relationship with normies, at least in my life they are all unkind, unwilling to do literally anything to ease a relationship with an autistic person, they never respect boundaries, they always gaslight and they are always hypocrites.

    This is not catastrophization, this is my lived experience. I am not being hyperbolic whatsoever.

    And yes, this also applies to every therapist counselor or psychologist I have ever had. They also gaslight, infantilize, and suggest you to do things that you have already explained to them /do not work/ in the realm of forming meaningful relationships with normies.

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    If you were to go, I would go to say this (or hand it written if that’s necessary):

    I don’t want an apology. I want you to know that mocking people who are different is easy, and it makes you look weak and fearful. Trying to make sure that everyone gets what they need, even in small ways, is the sign of a good person. Make efforts to support people; that investment in humanity is worth it.

    You can decide whether you want to describe where your social interaction abilities differ, so that they might have a better idea of how to interact with you on more comfortable terms.

    That clerk needs something, too, and you have an opportunity to give it.

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    Should I go? I’m not sure what outcome I wanted, I think I just wanted to speak out about it.

    Would it make you feel better at all or just be another stressful situation? If it won’t help then don’t go. Sounds like they’re trying to use you to punish their shitty employee.

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    I would have instantly returned the drink and never gone back. I mumble, get made fun of as well. However I have nerve damage from my wisdom teeth being removed when I was younger. Have no feeling in the left half of my tongue and it causes me to mumble if I don’t force myself to over pronounce things.