In a matchup between Biden and Trump, many young voters say they might choose silence.
Gen Z wants to opt out and choose irresponsibility because a decision is too hard or not to their specific liking? Wake me when there’s actual news.
and some are not allowed to vote because of laws and policies crafted over the years by politicians like Biden and Trump
I’d love to know what you’re even talking about.
talking about the people in the US who are not allowed to vote due to different laws and policies like myself being left out of yet another election
US has plenty of dissidents too
Refusing to vote for an imperfect candidate in order to stop a fascist takeover doesn’t sound very smart. “We can’t have our specialest most perfectest prezzy so lol get fukked every1.”
The problem is, I’m almost 40 and have been hearing this my whole life. And the Democrats keep moving further right.
Biden is the most progressive US president in modern history. Maybe still not as progressive as you’d like, but nevertheless Democrats are slowly moving to the left, not right.
Let the fall of the American empire begin. If we think our way of Life is worth fighting for then we’re gonna actually have to fight for it.
As a leftist, it’s important to accept that the Dems will never, ever, ever move to the left unless there’s massive grassroots organization such as Unionization and Socialists winning local elections.
People who abstain from voting as protest, however, still think ironically that voting is anything other than loss prevention. If everyone sits out and protests, literally everyone on the Dem side and Trump wins in a landslide, and Trump manages to keep elections for 2028, the Dems still won’t move to the left.
That’s why voting as a leftist is about loss prevention, rather than gaining material change. The movement leftward comes from upsetting the entire 2 party process by flipping the table itself. Mass Unionization and taking of key seats is exactly how you (non-violently) upset the process and force concessions or enable third party to be theoretically viable.
Until then, however, any leftist not voting Dem in the federal election is sorely misguided.
Young voters are going to make both parties hate them like we did when we voted in Obama. That was a great time. Watching dems and cons alike be low key racist for 8 years was such a huge reveal.
Let’s do it again but harder this time!
Every time I see articles like this it just reminds me of 30 rock.
Biden supporters kicking and screaming like babies.
No more vote blue no matter who.
DNC will become irrelevant if they don’t change their ways.
Young people aren’t forced to watch the same three television networks like the older generations. Thank goodness.
If dems don’t like it and they need the young peoples votes, then maybe they can change their strategy.
Young people need to reconsider how much worse things will be for them specifically, if Trump gets back in office and appoints more judges, etc. Young people have more time left to suffer in this life than most of us.
LOL.
“The logic of not voting for Joe Biden in 2024 is that the Democratic Party is supposed to be accountable to young people and diverse communities.”
Such an adorable take. I used to think they were accountable, too. That they gave a shit what I thought and would do things that I approved of, or have a good reason not to. That voting actually sent a message.
Give this kid another decade and he’ll be as hopeless as I am.
Then there’s this guy:
“[I’ll say], ‘Hey, you want to buy a house after college, right? You want to have a good-paying job after you graduate, right? You want to be able to have access to health care?”
I really don’t think voting is the best way to get these things. Especially when Democrats never talk about access to health care, just health “coverage.”
What voting for Biden will get you is more boring government. That’s about the only thing voting will get you that you can actually want.
This kid actually gets it:
And then there’s the Electoral College. For Lillian, it’s difficult to feel like her vote matters in a state that has gone blue since 1980 and a rural county that generally swings red. "The whole [voting] thing is a symbolic gesture,” she says. “If we had a more direct voting system, I would participate more. The Electoral College is scum.”
Want people to think voting matters? Make their vote actually matter. Outside of swing states votes for president just become meaningless statistics, especially since you don’t need the popular vote to win the election.
Will the silence be loud enough to create actual change in how the Democratic Party approaches the youth vote in future elections[?]
It never has been, and it never will be.
Dems not talking about healthcare is kinda not true is it? The US has the ACA and coverage means expanding who has access to the ACA and at what tarrifs.
The ACA was supposed to have a public option. But the health insurance companies got Lieberman to kill that. Now whenever I hear a Democratic politician talk about health care it’s about making sure everyone has “coverage.”
Pay very close attention when you hear them talking and you’ll hear it. But people don’t need health insurance, they need health care. And the coverage Dems keep pitching often gets between people and care.
Not to mention that dealing with insurance companies when you need care is even more of a full-time job now than it was in 2016.
I’ve been voting third party for decades now. If enough others do we can make a difference.
- Gen X.
It will only make a difference when third party candidates run for something other than president, where that party can establish a track record of getting something done in local and regional venues. Only coming out every 4 years does nothing to sway non-3rd party voters, particularly when it’s people like Jill Stein who very clearly demonstrate their sense of ethics isn’t any better and they’re just as likely to act in their own financial self-interests, and essentially dupe their voters into donations that get misappropriated. She’s even had at least one judge say as much in a ruling against her after the last election. We’ve been explaining this for many elections now, but you just don’t listen. Until then, 3rd party votes just amount to spoilers.
They are winning those down ballot elections in places.
Great, win more, in more places, for more significant periods of time, and actually show accomplishments, then we can talk about it being a better alternative.
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If enough people donated enough to charity, we wouldn’t need social safety nets. But they won’t, so we always will.
I’ll vote 3rd parties when we implement RCV or STV, until then it just supports the greater evil.
When both candidates are too evil to vote for then this is the rational choice. Your vote is counted and so people see it when they look. Many minor parties have gotten everything they want without ever winning - when the vote margin between you and an opponent is just a few percent, attracting those who care enough too vote for a third party makes a loss into a win.
If you consider Biden too evil to vote for, I don’t know what to tell you, He’s been one of the best presidents we’ve had recently and the resurgence of unions we’re experiencing is thanks to him.
He’s one of the best presidents we’ve had recently
Considering his cohort I don’t think that’s saying much. We’ve had a lot of shitty presidents. Most of them, actually.
You can tell the terrible ones because they have an R next to their name. Clinton, Obama, and Biden have all been at the very least inoffensive and reasonable.
Oh, wait, that wasn’t a sarcastic joke?
Damn.
Well, I guess if that’s been going on for decades at least it’s a vote that can be safely discounted. Also no, it won’t make a difference. At least not in the US. The math of it is demonstrably that it won’t make a difference, especialy if you do it repeatedly. As the guy above said, you change the system so that it makes a difference first (which you may or may not get to via voting) and THEN it’ll make a difference. Until then it’s just performative absenteeism. Unless you are not in the US and instead live in a parlamentarian proportional system, in which case carry on.
I wonder what billionaire feudalism propaganda servitor ordered this article written? Someone from the WalMart clan? Koch Bros? Who?
If you don’t vote, you may lose the opportunity next time. Fascists don’t exactly like democratic voting systems.
Politics is messy. This just sounds like a bunch of over-privileged naive people who are afraid to get their hands a little dirty.
Your vote isn’t a valentine, it’s a chess move.
“Fascists don’t exactly like democratic voting systems.”
Exactly why they’re trying to get your former president removed from ballots so people can’t vote for him. As well as attempting to put him in prison for nothing.
Literally violated some of the biggest laws in the country
“For nothing”
The fun part about people like you is that literally TREASON is not a reason to not vote for him. Which is why we have laws against that shit.
Who cares if he sold state secrets to Saudi Arabia, possibly endangering American lives. He seems like a stand up guy to me!
“For nothing.” Lol.
Yeah, surely they’re not trying to remove him for clearly and obviously violating the 14th Amendment, which bars insurrectionists from office. Or trying to put him in prison for stealing top secret documents, lying about having them when the National Archive requested he return them multiple times, showing them to people without clearance, and trying to systematically cover up evidence that he had them. Or asking the Georgia Secretary of State to “find him” the votes he needed to win in 2020.
Bruh, the fuck are you on?
I don’t know where you get your information, but I guarantee it’s a terrible source. You think the fascists are opposing fascism, and that the people who tried to do a coup to steal democracy did nothing wrong.
I blame the whole “voting changes things” culture. We tell kids that voting and politics means something and then when they learn how it actually works they get disheartened.
If we lower their expectations I bet they would vote more. Drop the idea that government will be responsive and filled with intelligent statesmen. Forget about any sort of relief or change. Vote for the one who will make politics boring.
Oh yeah, telling people, “Oh don’t worry, nothing will change and we will head endlessly into the climate change cliff! Your future is fucked and nobody cares to enact change, all you can do is creep further into corporate dystopia while voting for people who do nothing to stop it.” Great plan, I’m sure that will galvanize young voters.
Voting clearly does change things. It’s how we got Trump, and he changed a lot of things for the worse. It’s how Texas got Greg Abbott and Florida got Ron DeSantis, both people who’ve been changing things a lot.
Maybe you can’t get the charges you really want, but it’s just as important to prevent bad changes.
Oh look, more “everybody’s doin’ it” propaganda
