I saw @ledlecreeper27@lemmygrad.ml 's post and wound up making a larger version of it (with my own changes)
Update- wound up making a expanded version
and a notion of how it would look amidst a better world (not overly serious, borders subject to change)
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Virtually every large nation should be cracked up as well if you want to follow through with the logic. The amazonian basin would be a series of micro states. China has what like 50 recognized minority ethnic groups within its borders
But that’s not what I want, nor what I’d find funny- it would be wholly counterproductive, as it would just leave Europe on equal footing with the rest of the world.
If anything, the next step I’d take would be creating more large federations and supranational unions, though sadly these wouldn’t be very realistic. A United Arab Republic stretching from Mauritania to Oman, the return of the Soviet Union, or Mexico’s historical borders, the East African Federation or some unions of the Congo/DRC, Burkina Faso/Mali/Niger, or Maphilindo… maybe even the dreams of pan-Africanism manifest as some “superstate Africa” or hell, some holy trinity of the Soviet Union reborn, China, and India all holding hands, singing “kumbayah,” and delivering a spanking for the Anglosphere.
If it made any sense whatsoever (sadly it doesn’t), I’d make a “Celtic union” featuring Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the Manx, Cornwall, Brittany, and Galicia as well- or I’d make a true Yugoslavia stretching from Slovenia to Bulgaria, or better yet a Balkan union like was historically proposed, with all the south Slavs, Romania, Hungary, Greece, and Albania- hell, bonus points for Cyprus and Turkey as well. Or I’d revive al-Andalus, but this time with all the other Maghreb states in a union. Or of course, the most ideal borders would simply be an entirely Soviet Europe.
The whole point is an (entirely and completely deserved, but also hypothetical shitpost of a) western Europe screw.
Oh I thought we were fucking around with taking national liberation to its logical conclusions and breaking things up into as small of chunks as possible. Didn’t realize it was a piss take in the other direction
With me it’s always a piss take in the other direction 👍
Oh god, you hate to see libertarian (fascist) Free Cities in there.
Simply return continental Europe to the Vicky 3 map with all countries released.
Who says they have to be libertarian? It would be better yet to have them as UN mandates, but specifically “international cities” that can get flooded with immigrants from the global south.
Hoi4 gamer understanding of geopolitics lookin ass map
If the geopolitics for most of these states seem terrible- that’s the point lmao
The goal among various things, is to make western Europe never rise again as an imperialist bloc, with it being an eyesore on a map and its borders having some plausible logic (to keeping states from either imploding or reunifying… well, there are a lot of UN mandates)
Valencianos would like to have a word with the person who put Catalunya all the way down to Alicante…
Good point, I changed it in a later version of the map. What’s important (well, not all that important) is that Spain proper stays landlocked, lol…
Imperialist Catalonia strikes again smh
why did you make austria bigger? what kind of unhinged shit is this… austria must be balkanized. the west should be annexed by liechtenstein, vienna should become its own country, etc.
Weird Yugoslavia not including most of actual Yugoslavia.
Based to remember Sorbia
Galicia-Volhynia is not the best term to refer to the most of eastern Europe.
What about Switzerland?
Switzerland’s borders were unchanged, so I didn’t bother coloring it in or labeling it tbh (also, Galicia-Volhynia is only referring to the specific westernmost regions of Ukraine)
Most of eastern Europe (and western too) is in urgent need of denazification though. Overall map needs more labels.
Fair- I agree tbh. I’d say I was simply being lazy in that regard (mapchart, the site I was using, with the NUTS2 map didn’t go into detail about Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and Norway among other countries, so rather than go through the hassle of, say, overlaying the map with borders in a different program and from there tracing out different regions I’d want to cut out- I just left them empty, minus the denazification/vague territorial change circles in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (all of which I’d have made far smaller) and western Ukraine.
No more Germany. I’m sick and tired of this country. You don’t salvage nuclear waste, you throw it in an abandoned mineshaft and close it off with concrete. Modern day amalekites.
Creating a DMZ between England and Wales isn’t enough, Offa’s Dyke needs to be re-dug and extended.
Creating a DMZ between Scotland and England is based. However, we are still not far enough away from the Angloids
Sadly, history has shown nowhere is far enough from the Angloids. But ideally, perhaps in this map’s universe England can lose its… particularly English characteristics.
We need someone to change that bugs bunny meme where he’s sawing off Florida, but separate england from scotland.
Why on earth does Holland gain territory? Colonial bastards should be balkanized themselves.
I figure they’re small enough as-is… but more than that, specifically it’s the logic of passing little bits of Germany (or Croatia, as another example on the map) to get as many nations invested in stomping out German revanchism wherever it pops up.
Giving the region to the Netherlands also isn’t without cultural or historical precedent, which makes it better yet still.
Don’t we shit on libs for doing stuff like this?
Alt history and speculative near future stuff can be fun and illuminating, if done well.
But this is giving “libs making balkanized China maps” cringe energy.
We do shit on libs for doing stuff like this- I shit on them specifically, myself.
Difference between libs’ maps and this though IMO is- for one, I think mine is hilarious, and had fun making it. But also, I’m not going about trying to fund or instigate separatists like this (though I won’t lie- if I had the means to both do so, and have no repercussions- I meet neither requirement- I totally would), and certainly not/never terrorists and extremists the likes of which the west always does.
Dunno to what extent it’s cringe in that context. Probably some, but I don’t have much or any personal investment in these maps. I’d love to see half of it IRL, but there’s no expectation unlike libs thinking they’re going to carve up China, Russia, or (insert country here) “when they collapse, any day now…”
…also- while the borders tend to have some minor ethnic or historical context (not always) more than anything else, it’s intended as a Euro-screw. And I’ll never back down from such Euro-screws; at least I’m honest in that regard. The borders are less about “promoting democracy and equality by having a shit-ton of ethno-statelets and separatists” and more “let’s screw England/France/Italy/west Germany to such an extent they will never wield the same influence again that they presently do.” Which if you ask me, for shitposting borders on a map- or even IRL to a considerable extent- can only be a good thing.
I thought this was riffing off of that phenomenon
We’re in a state of post-sarcasm here tbh. Far be it from me to ever back away from a good thing (balkanized Europe, imperialist countries being turned into puny statelets)
Wanting to disempower nazis = based
Wanting to disempower socialists = cringe
Imo
All borders are bourgeoisie, death to all states
Socialism must be secure before communism can be realized. Which will mean not only ensuring the entire world is developed, everyone has superabundance, all major deadly conflicts are largely resolved and interracial, interethic, and international grievances are healed, and the lingering ideologies spawned from America’s international brainwashing operations have been excised, but then we will have to deal with our first major related challenge as a unified species: climate change.
I mean, nothing will suddenly switch overnight, as the world becomes more socialist or even more internationally interested in peace and cooperation, borders will become more porous. Death of US empire alone will see to this beginning.
Calling borders “bourgeoisie” comes off to me a little weird.
I mean I wasn’t being entirely serious. But of course, the end state of communism is the absence of nation-states.
Yorkshire would absolutely mandate its own independence if Lancashire got theirs.
True. And I’m all down for that, too. Lancashire got independence as-is to have a nice little land bridge going straight from Cornwall, to Wales, up to Scotland without passing through England at any point of the journey.
Tsh. Nearly the whole continent needs “undergoing denazification” subtitles. 😅Otherwise amazing!!
Why doesn’t the UAR include all Arab countries?
The map was made with “drawing borders on the present (2023) world” in mind, admittedly. So I simply didn’t think to include them for similar reasons to why I didn’t include all of former Yugoslavia, or remade the Soviet Union… Egypt and the Gulf presumably would need a lot of time to settle into the idea (Jordan, Lebanon, and Kuwait would too, but it “works”)
