Just fucking electronically limit the max speed to the maximum allowed in the country. That would solve most of the issues and work 100% of the time. Also, I don’t care that in your fantasy scenario you have to race to a hospital at 100mph because someone cut of his head with chainsaw and there’s no ambulance service.
nah it doesn’t solve the issue of crazy speeding in school areas and city center.
You can go as fast as you want on a airstrip, I won’t mind, but respect the life of other people (“you” is general ofc)
If you want to race on a airstrip or a racetrack buy a race car and take it there on a flatbed. Driving racecars on normal streets doesn’t make sense.
You will still have issues with people going 30mph in 20pmh zone but it’s a good compromise: you’re reducing the most deadly high speed crashes but the solution is extremely simple (it doesn’t require GPS or image analysis) which means it will not have false positives, it will not affect the price of new cars and it will be better for privacy. It can also be retroactively applied to many existing cars so you could introduce it sooner.
Lots of people arguing about the practicality of this, or whether it can be done without invading privacy or slippery-sloping into mass surveillance.
The thing is: Even if it could be done perfectly — giving instant leeway when emergencies occur, being perfectly private forever, with perfectly accurate sensors — I still don’t think we’d want it.
That’s because laws are not just mechanical things. They are social things. When we put up a speed limit sign, it’s not just to configure a number in the driver’s mind. It’s to remind them to think about how they’re interacting with the community around them.
De-emphasizing that responsibility runs counter to this social purpose, which I think we intuitively understand at some level even if we reflexively bring out other claims in order to object to the policy.
I heard that some countries have zero leeway for speed limit trespassing, like if it says 100 and you go 101 that’s a fine time. I don’t understand why that’s not the case in other places, why not increase the limit by that 10 mph/kmph you allow now and stop allowing speeding at all
People will always push the limits. That leeway is there for specific situations where you’d need to speed up to avoid something or even for those who are slightly speeding without realising
The second part seems like it could be fixed by people not trying to drive as fast as they can, imo
The first one, well, now in those specific situations they just need to speed up even more because everyone is already driving limit + whatever is allowed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The issue with this is because it doesn’t work for the actual purpose of speed limits in the US. If the goal was to set the limit at the maximum speed that is safe for that road and then not exceed it then zero tolerance would work. In the real world though speed limits aren’t about safety at all, they are purely revenue generation for police departments. They are 100% set with the intent of having people break them so that the local government can make money. People obeying a speed limit 100% of the time would literally break every single local government in the US, the current system literally can’t exist if people don’t speed.
In California, local government does not get any revenue from speeding tickets. It is one reason there is so little enforcement of traffic laws.
Because car speedometers are not calibrated by law, and can be off a few percent. Changes in temperature can change tire radius as well.
After all that you then get into court proceeding of proving speed gun calibration has to be perfect.
And again, you don’t need to go exactly at the [increased] limit, you can go below it and allow for speedometer being not exactly correct
I don’t understand why that’s not the case in other places
the auto industry lobby.
10mph over? Have they driven on CA freeways? The vast majority of traffic is moving at 15+ mph over.
This will cause traffic slow downs and more road rage.
One interesting about speeding in traffic. Often you’re rushing just to stop.
It’s been proven that if you cap the max speed in heavy traffic everyone gets through it faster. Less stop and go with merges and guesses.
Think of all the times someone sped up to prevent you from changing lanes? Or someone blocks you during a zipper merge.
Traffic wouldn’t suck as much if people didn’t suck. I can’t wait until a few decades from now we’ve got AI cars Managing it for us.
Old cars for the win!
Yet another reason that old cars are looking better and better. We’ll be Cuba at some point.
I love old cars and trucks.
Why not just make people follow the speed limit? Why let them go 10mph over in the first place?
To allow for vehicles to pass one another before the end of this century.
If everyone is driving 10mph above the speed limit, we’re back to square one.
If they’re going fast enough that the speed limit isn’t fast enough to pass them, maybe you don’t need to pass them.
If I’m stuck behind a tractor on the road, they’re probably going 15 mph and I can easily pass them by just going the speed limit. If you’re stuck behind someone going 50 in a 55, tough luck. It’s not like you’re losing that much time anyway.
You save like 3 minutes over 30 miles. It’s nothing. People just think it’s so much faster because they don’t do the math.
You sound like someone who has never themselves driven in real traffic before.
You mean like the jackholes who think the best way out of a traffic jam is to drive on the shoulder so they can pass everybody? 🙄
“Real traffic” is nearly a dead-stop and you’re not in a position to gun it to get ahead in most cases.
Source: The real traffic of Seattle.
I lived in Seattle for 7 years and am well aware of what I5 traffic through Tacoma is like during rush hour. I used to drive to visit friends down in Portland on Friday after work pretty frequently.
🙄 That leapfrog shit where you zip in and out of crawling traffic every time there’s a gap is dangerous and people shouldn’t do it in the first place. If traffic is super slow then the speed limit is easily fast enough to pass anyway.
Also, it shouldn’t be your job to speed to make up for bad traffic. That’s a failure of public policy and engineering. We should fix that.
There are a number of scenarios where one might do 10+ over the speed limit to get around someone on the highway that does not involve the leap-frogging-in-crawling-traffic maneuver you’re referring to.
Yeah, you might want to get around them, but only to save a couple of minutes. If someone is going slow enough for me to give a shit, the speed limit is enough to pass. Otherwise, tough luck, you have to go 50 in a 55
Not being able to pass a slow car just angers people.
People who are angry about the slow car are probably going to ride their ass.
People riding other people’s ass don’t have enough following distance to react to an emergency brake.
Now there’s an accident and traffic comes to a half.
People coming up from behind are in the same scenario.
Now there’s a pileup.
Congrats! You’ve now made the roads less safe.
And pileups never happen when people speed 🙄
You know what? You’re right.
Let’s ban private car ownership.
Let’s ban private car ownership.
Or even better, just create viable public transportation, and discourage the plague of suburbia. Let the people who want to drive drive. And the people who only see it as a means to get from point A to B out of cars.
Except those people who want to drive have a huge burden on society for basically no reason. Fuck em. Nobody gets to drive.
Authoritarian nonsense.
Isn’t that just going to cause accidents? For all the non regulated cars on the highway, what happens if you need to merge into a lane where the flow of traffic is faster than the speed limit? It doesn’t even have to be a highway, but lane changes in any city can have that problem I imagine.
I can only imagine going to pass and failing to do so in as timeless manner as needs to occur…
That would make passing so much more dangerous as people are in the other lane even longer.
This tech should be developed and used to stop chase vehicles. Also if it is used to stop people from going 10 over then we shouldn’t have cops checking people’s speed anymore.
I saw a video yesterday of cars fleeing the 2011 tsunami in Japan, I’m willing to bet those people exceeded 10mph over the posted speed limit trying to get away from the water.
Limiting the speed of the vehicles isn’t going to improve driving skills or eliminate distractions. It isn’t going to make people drive safer, just slower. I’m sure any situation where people need to go 10+ miles over the speed limit is going to be exceedingly rare and limited to things like fleeing forest fires or tsunamis, but limiting the speed isn’t going to have a huge impact on accidents.
It could decrease fuel consumption and emissions though 🤷♂️.
But it still seems like a problem that could be solved with better enforcement.There are reasons other than natural disasters that happen all the time. Health emergencies are a fine example of this. Yes, ideally you’d wait for an ambulance but oft times that’s just not viable.
would be a prohibitively expensive and complex system to implement and maintain, what an incredibly stupid idea… even if every single person drove the exact same brand and model of car, it would be astronomically expensive to implement, and incalculably expensive to maintain… a billionaire must have thought of it…
Lol get a grip. This comment is immature as shit.
I’m sure you have never in your life exceeded 10 over to make some sort of maneuver in traffic.
“Land of the free” california does not deserve to be part of thw US
I’m not saying I support the measure but I also don’t understand your statement? We curtail some freedoms to create some safety for the public. Limiting driving speed is one of them and has a massive impact on traffic fatalities in busy areas. There are other people on the road.
Good.
Why would you need a car that can go 200mph? Where are you going to use it? Oh yeah typically in school zones or some shit. If the limit is 50mph, ITS FOR A FUCKING REASON.
Also, US cites and states, START DESIGNING YOUR ROADS FOR THE SPEED YOU NEED. If you design a road next to a school like a highway, don’t be surprised when people drive 70mph. This simple idea is used all over the place in the Netherlands and guess what? IT FUCKING WORKS BECAUSE IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE .
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I am not a “muh freedom” guy, I don’t drive more than 10 over anyway. But this is just logistically a bad way to stop speeding.
Where does my car get the current speed limit information? How and when does it update as speed limits change? Will school systems around the country have to submit a list of which days are “school days” for school zone speed limits?
What if the GPS registers you on the 30mph road below or next to the 70mph highway, long term or even for a momentary glitch? Who is at fault if that causes you to be in an accident?
