Pelosi is just saying that opposition to genocide means you must be Russian, which is what I keep hearing from pro-genocide centrist Democrats on lemmy.
I don’t get why those same centrists are turning on her.
She’s obviously corrupt, as evidenced by her investment history. And her recent actions come off as overly performative and tone deaf, like when she kneeled while wearing a Kente cloth. Aka, she has bad aesthetics, and neolib voters only see politics through the lens of aesthetics
More importantly, it’s probably true that Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments moral standing. So they very likely are boosting both pro Palestinian and pro genocide messaging to accomplish that goal.
Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments
Exactly, everyone should be realizing this by now. China, Russia, Iran, and more are all probably doing this all of the time, because they have seen how effective it is to destabilize our democracy that they fear. People’s basic brain processes are drawn to the inflammatory news, and social media algorithms promote these things to get views because it makes them money. It all rolls up together into a giant ball of shit that’s crushing everything that’s good.
Yeah exactly. Which in no way negates the fact that there is a very real genocide being carried out by Israel with the support of the United States. That is true and is real and needs to be stopped.
But it is in Russia/Iran/China’s interest to exacerbate tensions on all sides of such a genocide, including by generating and boosting inflammatory social media content that is seen by Americans. A consequence of which is that a record number of Americans are seeing Israel’s actions for what they truly are, which is good - but this is not being done for remotely altruistic reasons
There is no genocide lmao. If israel wanted to, Gaza would be gone tomorrow.
“There is no genocide - if Germany wanted to, the Jews would be gone tomorrow” - You, in 1935
Exactly.
All these contrarian takes telling pelosi that she is wrong when iran and russia admit to this manipulation is insane.
I have to been on lemmy in weeks and wont be for many more.
This network is a cesspit
Source for Iran and Russia admitting this?
Shouldn’t we instead be investigating the politicians currently in office that we have a really good reason to believe have a monetary tie to Russia and have a mountain of evidence of being coerced or controlled by them due to said politicians’ past actions (going to a secret meeting to Moscow on July 4th, ect)?
Yep, but we won’t, because they’re paying people to pose as leftists supporting Palestine in order to get all the others riled up on that cause using half truths. This drives the attention towards the left (the primary intention of Right Wing propaganda). We can’t ever change this until people stop being afraid to admit the truth about the Right Wing.
No, no, no. We have to capitulate to them.
Let’s concede that the people organizing protests are receiving money from Russia. Is that actually a criminal matter? Apparently Trump’s campaign working with Russia wasn’t.
It’s only legal when it’s Israel doing it.
Yeah, because it couldn’t possibly be that Americans are opposed to genocide.
For fuck’s sake, Pelosi. Witch hunts are supposed to be a Republican thing.
wouldn’t be the first time Russia has done something like this, that said, how about we stop supporting genocide and it won’t matter
The best propaganda in the world is the truth. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the Russians were signal boosting Palestinians in some way. Doesn’t mean we should keep supporting a genocide though. Israel fucked up.
They’re absolutely boosting Palestinians. Russia wants to prove to the world that Israel is carrying out a genocide, and that Israel/US are heavily leaning on international entities to delay any meaningful condemnation from bodies like the ICJ or UN. Russia wants to highlight the moral hypocrisy of the West, and prove that Palestinians are being exterminated
This is not because Russia cares about human rights. Rather it is because they want to paint the United States/The West as obvious hypocrites with no moral standing. Which will enable Russia to commit larger atrocities in Ukraine without meaningful rebuke. After all, these same international agencies permitted the genocide in Gaza, who are they now to condemn Russia when they massacre an entire Ukrainian city? It also will provide cover for China’s invasion of Taiwan, and their further suppression of Uyghurs in NW China.
Israel is certainly engaging in genocide against Palestinian. But this crime, and the US’ whitewashing of it, will be used by Russia/China as cover to carry out their own escalated human rights abuses. And by that time, the US will have lost its moral leadership in the world and Western international institutions will have similarly been shown to be utterly useless puppets of America. Which is all a very bad thing for the weak and non-nuclear peoples of the world
Wouldn’t be the first time democrats have done this, either.
[sarcasm]
That sounds like what a Russian propagandian would say.
If that’s not a word, it should be a word. Lets also rename the continent to Propagandia while we are at it.
Thank you, Flying Squid. I couldn’t agree more. The Trump-resemblance in attitude on her part has been disheartening. BTW, I tend to really like your comments. Have a good day.
Thank you, you too!
While it’s all certainly Americans, and we don’t like genocides, she is correct in assuming that Putin wants Trump to win, and this would be an effective way to further that goal.
Don’t forget Putin was KGB.
I imagine it’s more through social media manipulation and misinformation than FSB funding, I suppose I could be wrong. By way of example, though, how many times have you heard that white phosphorous is banned, even though that’s not exactly true?
FSB is using social media among other things. Active Measures is one of primary ways how they operated and they adapted it well to the Internet age.
Have you thought how come that antivaxx people also have very pro Russia anti EU, anti UN anti NATO views?
Covid was a great catalyst in spreading disinformation.
Same thing with far right people in US and Europe, how come their views are mostly pro Russia and how come they greatly overlap with antivaxx?
I wanted you to be wrong, but you’re right.
Thanks for providing a link.
I’ve honestly just stopped doing that explainer because Israel is using it illegally.
True. But the propaganda line doesn’t acknowledge the distinction, and just tries to spread the idea that the US does not care about international law, which is false.
Ahhh yes. I had someone run that with landmines too. According to them we can’t get in compliance with international law until we de-mine the Korean DMZ…
So this November Americans will be able to choose between literally a Nazi and someone who strongly supports genocide and treats anyone who doesn’t support it as a traitor.
Good luck with that
strongly and eagerly supporting genocide is pretty much just the colloquial definition of Nazi, so IDK why a distinction is necessary. It’s two Nazis on the ballot.
oh friend, I wish only the Nazis supported genocides, there is a wide range of ideologies whose lack of morality you are unaware of
The US has gone so hard to the right that there are McCarthys on both sides now lol
She wants a broad, populous group investigated for crimes that haven’t been shown to exist… what’s the law matter when it isn’t making the rich richer, right?
The only reason Israel courts Russia is to let them bomb Syria without Russians shooting them down. Russia constantly calls everyone Nazis. No one in Israel actually likes them
“Hey guys, we need a surefire way to make our base stay home instead of vote when we have a literal fascist running who will end the Republic if he’s allowed to win!”
Nancy: “Say no more fam, I got this.”
Weird way to say 3rd party
A vote for a third party is a vote for Trump. Don’t be an idiot
Could you please write out the math where my 3rd party vote adds a tally to Trump?
Every vote that Biden loses to a third party means Trump has a better chance of winning the state. Unless you are voting in a pure Blue state like NY,CA, etc or a pure Red state like FL, OH, etc then you are giving Trumptard a better chance to win by not voting for Biden
Then Biden and the people who elected him in the primaries should do some self reflection.
Contrary to popular opinion on this site, most Americans don’t support a cease fire in Israel. I don’t either. Not until Hamas is gone
Then find the votes you need elsewhere.
Latest polling shows over 2/3 of Americans want a ceasefire, that’s both Dems and Repugs.
Consider examining your own bias for bloodlust instead of pulling sentiment out of your ass.
Every vote that Biden loses
Oh, so Biden is entitled to those votes? Interesting democracy you’ve got there.
Weird way to say secure Trump’s victory.
It sounds stupid but she’s right. The new crop of loudly political “Protesters” is fueled by a Right Wing astroturfing campaign to get people to throw away their vote this November. The Right Wing is a huge, global group of rich and powerful dickheads who are slowly but surely taking over control of all the world’s governments, and this is gonna be the next one, because all you kiddos can’t pay attention long enough to realize that you’re getting played RIGHT NOW.
You should let the families of the 30,000 dead Palestinians know they are being played by the vast right wing cabal.
I’m voting for Biden in November because I know that he’ll be better for this issue (and every other issue) than Trump and I’m still calling for a ceasefire because what’s happening in Gaza is wrong and evil. Sorry I don’t fit in your box.
Sure, but lets also investigate the House for financial ties to billionaires.
…and Russia, probably.
And investigate both sides - Russia will support both extremes in any issue that causes unrest in Western democracies. So investigating only one side is a useful propaganda tool but kind of misses the mark.
Financial ties? She is a billionaire.
The only thing shocking here is that commenters seem outraged that this would be considered a possibility.
There is a hell of a lot of a lot of foreign interference in American news and politics. Russia, China and the Saudis know no one can defeat the USA except the USA so they push as much division as possible on both ends of the political spectrum.
Shouldn’t we also investigate pro-Israel defenders for Financial Ties to Defense Contractors?
Wish I was getting paid to support Palestine.
Yeah, pretty sure the money is on the other side.
“Eat the 1%” isn’t a strong enough punishment for this kind of statement
Vietnam war all over
“Foreign agents are brainwashing our youth to be against the war”
I need someone to ely5 how to get to this conclusion.
"For them to call for a ceasefire is Mr. Putin’s message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see”
How? What does he gain from it?
I bet he loves how she just added fuel to more devision.
One would think Putin would have more to gain from it expanding into a regional conflict which the US/NATO get dragged into
