Yes, and I support China stealing whatever it deems productive it steal in terms of IP from the US. The point is that there’s a trope about China only being able to make knock-offs and only having the success it has from stealing which is ultimately a chauvinist caricature.
It’s a jingoistic caricature. I’m not informed enough to know the difference what the difference between standards are for products of the two countries.
I do agree there is a common sentiment that Chinese products are inferior to their American counterparts. If China or the USA want to steal product specs from each other to make better products that we end up buying, cool. I’d rather buy better products and I’m sure you would too.
Right, every country and company engages in tech espionage. Yet, a lot of people in the west pretend as if China is some unique outlier in that regard.
I understand that the pro China sentiments are strong here and I’m going to be downvoted. I live in the DC area and people around here are aware that everyone is involved in espionage. Russia does it all the time too.
No one believes that china is the only one doing this. Their capacity to do so may be stronger than most countries (same with USA)
It’s always going to be an issue for every advanced country.
I’m sure the lobbyists and congresscritters in DC have a more realist view in private. Doesn’t really change what sort of sentiment they push to the masses.
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make here. Yes, every country spies to the best of their capacity, that’s the nature of the game. While no sane person believes that China is the only one doing this, we constantly get media stories framed that way and there are a lot of mouth breathers running around screeching that China steals western tech. I think the only actual issue is the existence of copyrights and intellectual property. These stand directly in the way of human advancement and should be abolished.
Well of course USA media isn’t going to say “USA got caught stealing IP from china” or anything like that. I’d wager that China doesn’t do it either lol. They both accuse each other while at the same time reaching into each others back pockets. Ones not better than the other.
China has also been doing things like ensuring that everyone has housing with 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world.China’s been improving real wages (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) that have gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country, and making sure people have high social mobility.
So, yeah one’s a lot better than the other when you look at the outcomes. This meme basically sums up the dynamic perfectly.
As always, US doing the things it accuses China of.
I think we can agree that they both steal and accuse each other. Why wouldn’t they?
Yes, and I support China stealing whatever it deems productive it steal in terms of IP from the US. The point is that there’s a trope about China only being able to make knock-offs and only having the success it has from stealing which is ultimately a chauvinist caricature.
It’s a jingoistic caricature. I’m not informed enough to know the difference what the difference between standards are for products of the two countries.
I do agree there is a common sentiment that Chinese products are inferior to their American counterparts. If China or the USA want to steal product specs from each other to make better products that we end up buying, cool. I’d rather buy better products and I’m sure you would too.
Right, every country and company engages in tech espionage. Yet, a lot of people in the west pretend as if China is some unique outlier in that regard.
I understand that the pro China sentiments are strong here and I’m going to be downvoted. I live in the DC area and people around here are aware that everyone is involved in espionage. Russia does it all the time too.
No one believes that china is the only one doing this. Their capacity to do so may be stronger than most countries (same with USA)
It’s always going to be an issue for every advanced country.
I’m sure the lobbyists and congresscritters in DC have a more realist view in private. Doesn’t really change what sort of sentiment they push to the masses.
I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make here. Yes, every country spies to the best of their capacity, that’s the nature of the game. While no sane person believes that China is the only one doing this, we constantly get media stories framed that way and there are a lot of mouth breathers running around screeching that China steals western tech. I think the only actual issue is the existence of copyrights and intellectual property. These stand directly in the way of human advancement and should be abolished.
Well of course USA media isn’t going to say “USA got caught stealing IP from china” or anything like that. I’d wager that China doesn’t do it either lol. They both accuse each other while at the same time reaching into each others back pockets. Ones not better than the other.
I get the impression that US talks about China a lot more than China talks about the US.
While US keeps perseverating over China collapsing, China stealing US tech, China becoming a global power, and so on, China’s been busy working on doing things like eliminating poverty, creating public infrastructure, providing healthcare, housing, food, and education for all citizens. Chinese government practically eliminated poverty, building infrastructure having used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, building 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade.
China has also been doing things like ensuring that everyone has housing with 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world.China’s been improving real wages (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) that have gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country, and making sure people have high social mobility.
So, yeah one’s a lot better than the other when you look at the outcomes. This meme basically sums up the dynamic perfectly.