I find the quality and variety of discussions on the fediverse to be lower than what I had on reddit. Lemmings have strong preconceived notions and little interest in changing viewpoints from new information. I think I’ll be switching back.
Edit: you’ll find that most of the comments deny any shortcomings of the culture and go directly to invalidating my opinions via character assassination. If lemmy was a community that actually stood for the ideals which it espouses it would take constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended. QED.
I switched back after some drama with a petty mod. I’ve found that so far, the quality of content on Reddit just isn’t there anymore. In fact, I’d go as far as to say it’s hot garbage. Unfortunately, the niche content I enjoyed and sometimes relied on just isn’t here, so now I flip back and forth between them.
I’m still beyond pissed about 3rd party apps, though. The official Reddit app is a steaming pile that wants to be TikTok SO BAD.
It will be easier to quit reddit as they essentially certainly will make even more astoundingly stupid decisions that make things even worse in pursuit of IPO and profitability.
If reddit exists in 5 years, itll basically be a total laughing stock with only the most die hard, most insufferable, most god complexed and most stereotypical /reddit/ users, basically viewed with as much derision as maybe say 8chan is now.
We’re already quickly approaching that reality. It’s pretty well enshittified
Same, though i did delete my account, so I usually doom-scroll popular…
Why not just access via browser? If they try to hit you with the “unverified” or “NSFW” content pop up, just put ‘old.’ before reddit in the URL. I refuse to put that shit app on my phone for spez to use as a data farm.
old. is unusable in mobile browsers.
Apart from having to zoom a lot, it’s still manageable. I’m on IOS, and I have both old and new reddit as bookmarks on my homescreen. Then I have SinkIt for Reddit that makes the mobile browser version more tolerable if I choose to not use old.reddit. Never needed to install the official app.
If you join a server that blocks many other instances or have personally block other communities, users or instances, then you are part of the problem.
Is lemmy.world one that illegitimately blocks many communities?
Yes.
I think they were mostly reasonable, with some complaints like how they banned piracy communities for a while and also banned/removed a community about magic mushrooms.
I disagreed with their federating with Threads, so I hopped over onto feddit.de because they are defederated from Threads and tankie instances. That’s the beauty of the fediverse tho.
But you can view the de/federated instances lists for every instance and see if you agree with it. Different apps may have different routes/capability, so I’d recommend opening it in a browser and scrolling to the bottom of the page to find the link: “instances”
To make it easier for you, here’s the instances list for lemmy.world.
that’s the same list i just replied 7 minutes ago lol
most of these are blocked for incredible NSFW or MAGA. There are extremely few I don’t understand, such as kbin.cafe and some foreign-language instances that seem okay.
I wish there was an anchor that just lets you skip to the bottom.
The main problem with it is that there isn’t enough users
Unpopular opinion: I hate this argument. At what point is there ever going to be “enough users”? I think that’s just an easy cop out used to avoid actually addressing whatever debate you’re having. And I mean this with respect.
There definitely is a critical mass needed for social media. Reddit hit critical mass around 2012 when digg imploded. When I joined reddit in like 2010, it felt very much like Lemmy currently does.
I think that’s a major problem with Lemmy, because it’s so disjointed it’s hard to hit the critical mass needed to keep conversations interesting and fresh.
I think what Lemmy has going for it, that reddit lost long ago, is the lack of bots and automation (e.g., automod) that brought the quality of content down; not to mention, the lack of reposts – I’m sure that’ll change over time. If that’s the “major problem with Lemmy”, then personally I don’t want to fix it. Bots are cutesy, and being able to do what they do is a technical fascination, but they degrade an experience that is meant for people [to interact with each other]. THough, I do admit that I am a simple casual and not a power user, so I am open to the idea that my experience is going to be more tame than some others.
I think there are enough, they’re just the wrong users.
I think this comment says a lot, maybe it’s you who is the " wrong user"
My comment history is free to audit. That’s a lot of work though and jumping to conclusions at any sign of a diverging thought feels better. Definitely not an echo chamber.
Yeah, I did that through 3 pages, and the vast majority of your comments are positive ratio. You’ve got bad takes about… bidets and public transport? Therefore lemmy is an echo chamber. I genuinely don’t see your issue. Are you a troll?
Well, I did go through your comment history and after a few pages there are only two things I really noticed.
First is the comment thread you had in my community, /c/TenForward. You don’t like the Picard show, which is fine. A lot of people don’t. Personally I think the first two seasons were some of the worst television I’d seen in a long time. But you went out of your way to say that it wasn’t Star Trek at all. Not that you didn’t like it. That it categorically wasn’t something that it clearly was because you didn’t like it. You also outright called it abominations and dismissed it entirely as if you were the custodian of all things Trek. Hint, you’re not.
Then look at another comment of you in /c/Me_irl talking about how America has gone for the past three years without a “strong man president”. Well, he wasn’t really a strong man. He was a felon, a rapist, a draft dodger, he stoked a violent insurrection that ended with people dead, is a horrible bigot of a thousand different flavors, and is the most hated President in living memory. So yeah. You’re probably going to get downvoted for even remotely suggesting that he was good in any way or that he was “strong”. On top of that, you’ve made other comments suggesting that because Biden won’t say that housing is unaffordable, that the entire country should burn and voting doesn’t matter which you got downvoted for. But none of those did you get active pushback for. Just downvotes. One of them you clarified something and you even got upvoted for that clarification.
That’s it. That’s literally the only stuff in your comment history that goes “against the grain” and that you got any pushback over. If any echo chamber exists, you are actively adding to it overall with the exception of those two things I mentioned. Both of which you got pretty harsh pushback over because the first is just unbridled arrogance and the second is actively dangerous. I realize why you don’t like this place. It isn’t that it’s an echo chamber. You just have opinions that people don’t agree with because they’re shitty opinions. This comment section is a good example. To you, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is “the wrong users” which immediately demonstrates that you are the one who is coming into situations hot and hostile.
You’re the problem here bubba, not Lemmy. The reason you like reddit over here isn’t because reddit isn’t an echo chamber. It is. It’s just one you can tolerate because it’s one that’s steeped in active aggression.
You are assuming that downvotes are some metric I optimize for. They’re meaningless beyond the value that others put in them and reach a dogpile effect on discussion at some point. Most of my issue is not on topics I comment on or how they’re received, but the topics posted on lemmy and how they are engaged. It’s the comments I haven’t made.
You are assuming that downvotes are some metric I optimize for.
No, I’m not. I’m assuming that you’re using downvotes for what they are. A representation of a communities likes or dislikes of specific content and their agreement with it. The fact that you call it “meaningless” really demonstrates a lot about you and this whole echo chamber thing you keep complaining about. You don’t want an echo chamber where everyones going to agree with you, but you ignore everything that you don’t agree with? Riiiiiiight.
Most of my issue is not on topics I comment on or how they’re received, but the topics posted on lemmy and how they are engaged. It’s the comments I haven’t made.
Your entire complaint has been that Lemmy is an echo chamber but now you admit that you aren’t making comments or making posts about your views and topics that you feel strongly about. Now you say that “it’s the comments I haven’t made.” So then you are the problem you’re complaining about. You aren’t bothering to put any effort in to demonstrate your views and then are shrugging and saying that it’s an echo chamber. Clearly you aren’t worried about downvotes because you just said they’re worthless and you don’t care, so that isn’t the reason why you aren’t putting in any effort or even trying. And you clearly have no issue in making comments because you do that frequently.
Thanks to that, the only possible conclusion one can reach now is that you don’t care about it being “an echo chamber”. You’re just a troll. We’ve ruled out it being afraid of downvotes and you not wanting to put in effort. There isn’t any other possible conclusion to reach when you keep painting yourself into the corner.
Have fun with that.
This is some next level mental gymnastics. Connect dots in whatever convincing fashion you want in lieu of attempting to understand someone’s viewpoint.
I don’t care about your comment history what do you want? People who pat you on the back for your shitty opinions?
I disagree. I feel that on Reddit, the type of users and discussions were mostly toxic and based on popularity. Lemmy is far from perfect, and there are aspects about it that I feel certainly are lacking, but to suggest that it’s a bigger echo chamber than reddit, I find hard to believe. But, if you can provide me with some examples that highlight your point of view, I would be interested.
You can literally predict the comments on reddit these days before looking. It’s the same articles, same top comments, over and over again. You try to be original there and you get down voted. Got to stick to the template and karma can be yours :/
I always hated that about Reddit; the lack of authenticity. I tried to be my genuine self, and always was downvoted for it. It started to feel like maybe somebody took offense and wrote a bot to follow and downvote everything I posted. Yes, I’m paranoid. :)
I love how much more international and diverse lemmy is. I’m American, but I am happier with the fact that lemmy isn’t 85%+ Americans like on reddit (not a real statistic). I enjoy seeing more content from different perspectives and nationalities.
Interesting, as an American why did you choose feddit.de?
Makes sense!
Density of toxic rhetoric is through the roof on lemmy. It rivals what you’d find on bad private forums of yore.
Please provide me examples, because as far as I’m concerned, I’m just not seeing the same level of toxicity you are apparently.
What subs are you in? I can think of a few that are terrible, so I blocked them, and many more where I don’t think I have ever seen more than critical opinion.
I’m only subbed to freefolk.
toxic
This you?
Uh, I see the stuff with the politics stuff but… how is their opinion without explanation of Star Trek toxic?
They’re not Trek
They’re not the arbiter of Trek. They have no input on what is and is not real Trek. They can like it and not like it all they want, thats opinion. But it’s pretty toxic and shitty to try and claim that because it doesn’t fit with your personal views that it isn’t real Star Trek.
It is indeed toxic but frankly it’s more pathetic piss baby behavior than anything else.
It’s a rhetorical expression that says that the subject goes against the spirit of the franchise. There’s no claim of authority in there, and I don’t see why you think so.
If it ain’t Tomino it ain’t Gundam.
If it ain’t Lucas it ain’t Star Wars.
If it ain’t Roddenberry it ain’t Trek.
Importantly if you think Kurtzman is making Trek then you misunderstand the series. Star Trek is about a future where humanity lifts itself fully out of its worst aspects. It shows us what we should aspire to be. Kurtzman just wants to make Starship Troppers without the satire.
Nice toxic gatekeeping rhetoric there.
This you? 🙂
Is it gatekeeping to say fan fiction is not canon? Kurtzman’s Trek is bad fanfiction with legal cover. I could write some nonsense and slap Star Trek on it and I wouldn’t be able to force you to consider it Star Trek. If I had a billion dollars and bought the rights to the name would that change your mind?
It’s not fan fiction, it’s canon. Just because you’re butthurt and a crotchety pissed off racist old man doesn’t mean that it isn’t real Trek lmfao
Like I said here, you’re a nobody. You don’t have any say on what is and isn’t Trek lol you’re just a little boy crying online because they did a thing you didn’t like
Why are you so upset? I’m not old or racist. You did look through my comments and cherry picked examples to try to smear me. I’m very liberal, but admitting that would be a big backpedal. You disagree with my opinions, so I must be evil. It’s a bad sign with someone of your disposition is in a position of authority. If you wear the uniform you should strive to be worthy of it.
“if you have examples I would be interested” inflates claim without examples
This whole post just reeks of attention seeking. If they’re going to go, they should just GTFO…
Hey, at least it legitimately actually is an unpopular opinion.
Still baffles me how people struggle with the concept that an unpopular opinion discussion board is intended to and often does include actual unpopular opinions.
It probably has more to do with the fact that lemmy doesn’t default to your curated “home” when logged in. People might not see the community it’s from and just think it’s a random person complaining about lemmy
Very much agreed, though I’m not looking to switch back. Reddit had gradually turned into a homogenous slurry of astroturf and toxic groupthink. Lemmy lacks the critical mass for both of these to become a problem.
I still find Lemmy a better alternative, because at least I can see opinions that differ from mine. I’ll gladly throwdown and get my opinions challenged rather than feel that I don’t need to contribute to a discussion.
Ehhh, it kinda depends on where you are on lemmy. The more you’re haunting the politically charged communities and instances, the worse it gets.
Outside of those, it varies more. There’s usually a fairly echoey vibe to Linux forward thinking, and you’ll run into some with fediverse focused discussions/communities regarding social media.
But, if you’re hanging around in either niche subject communities, or in the general communities on instances where politics are not a focus, it’s way better because you don’t have the peanut gallery of randos as often. But even in some of the bigger instances, you can have great discussions with friendly folks easier than on bigger subs.
That’s lemmy though, it’s smaller, and composed largely of people that think in a general way because lemmy is by nature an “off brand” thing. There’s a huge chunk of the user base that left reddit because they got sick of something about reddit. It skews the vibe a good bit. Whether or not any given person likes that is a different issue.
I’ve had trouble getting more niche communities content to appear in my ‘feed’ . example I never see NFL posts unless I navigate to that community. This could be user error but it’s something I’ve had trouble with.
You aren’t alone. A lot of the sports related communities aren’t heavily upvoted so they won’t usually pop up on the Home/All feeds unless you sort by Rising and happen to browse at the right time. I feel like Lemmy could do well with the ability to create lists like Mastodon so that you could browse certain custom feeds.
The niche topics are expanding on the fediverse but it’s not quite there yet.
The general topics on Reddit are full of uninteresting posts and comments. Quality community members have definitely left.
I can’t tell if you think it’s an echo chamber because there are too many like-minded people here, or if your opinions generally fall apart under scrutiny. You may want to evaluate this.
*On the old reddit you mean. Because now its a shitshow.
Why? Honestly asking, it looks the same to me, as if nothing happened.
You probably not using the official reddit app. But just the lag, the delay, the mega mods, those crazy admins that ban them just by saying there name and just the ammounts of ads, there are just so many karma farmer.
Oh man, I say that I’m honestly asking because I really don’t know and I still get downvoted. That’s hilarious.
Anyways, I really haven’t experienced anything new besides a bug with the comments. Sometimes it loads the comments from a different post, so they obviously forgot to update the value of a variable somewhere in the code, and the comments are referencing a post I already saw.
Besides that, it’s the same as before. Bots, karma farmers, insane mods… it feels the same as 2 years ago.
I meant even far before 2 years ago, where reddit was not bs.
Bye!
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
Don’t let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya!
People are people, no matter where you are.
I see where you’re coming from but I also get reddit-ass pandentic arguments here. People downvoting you for posting an unpopular opinion on unpopularopinion is peak reddit as well.
Since I can get the wider reddit experience without spez, I will just stay. I use an alt front to see the smaller communities on reddit once in a blue moon. That’s what works for me.
Agreed, but(t) fuck Spez.
So you’re not a lefty. Lemmy says: fuck the fuck off you fucking fuck we fucking hate you. Source: left but not left enough.
This depends heavily on the instance. I have consistently received this attitude with users of a couple of specific instances. I now just ignore or instantly block those instance users whenever I see them.
That said. You come to a platform inspired from, designed on, and developed by left progressive ideals. You complain about the left. I can picture the pikachu face you’re making right now.
I get that. It’s just amusing that people think open source means free or there is a place where you won’t be silenced for dissent. We’re human and we will self select for positive feedback. Lemmy is no less a bubble than reddit or xtwitter.
Lemmy isn’t an echo chamber. It can’t be because it doesn’t have an algorithmic feed so it’s not artificially boosting viewpoints based on engagement. There is simply more people who are more left-leaning than Reddit/twitter. The political posts aren’t self-reinforcing just really prevalent
Lemmy most certainly is less of an echo-chamer. There’s often good discussions and less toxic responses and blanket downvoting (not that it doesn’t happen).
Typically, heavily downvoted users are trolls, hateful comments, or categorically false claims/propoganda (which is why conservatives don’t like it). But there is still toxic bandwagon voting that suppresses dissenting opinions.
But to claim it’s on the same level as reddit is laughable. You can claim that lemmy is a “leftist” echo-chamer, but the important distinction is that the “right” do not hold themselves or their news sources to any standard or basis is reality.
Lemmy may be more leftist, but that doesn’t mean it’s an echo-chamer in the way reddit/conservative forums/subreddits are echo-chamers. And it sure as hell doesn’t mean the news/discussion is biased/false in the way it is among conservatives.
Not to mention, there are stark differences in the way extremism manifests and the propensity for violence between the right and left.
Look, your definition of toxic troll and propaganda is going to fall into a different window because you (and I) are leftist. Failure to recognise your own bias is just frustrating. I can’t be bothered most of the time. Lemmy is a massive echo chamber for the left, just ask anyone who says Israel is allowed to exist.
I’m not discounting my bias; I’m acknowledging the bias exists, but that it’s far more aligned with reality and objectivity than the mainstream right, which complain about the leftist bias of lemmy.
And your Isreal example is totally out of touch. The vast majority of discussion on lemmy condemns both the terrorism of Hamas as well as the genocide being committed by Isreal.
The devs are communists. Theyre no better than Nazis imo.
So lemmy is somewhat an echo chamber sure, but I feel if you word it nicely and approach with an open mind you can have really good conversations if you don’t agree with a topic and want to understand more. Whereas on Reddit I find it extremely difficult to have actual conversations
Also sorry for the huge run on sentence
You can’t approach Nazi and tankie incels with an open mind.
Fair, but who even would want to?
