Apologies for title spelling errors. Apparently the title box doesn’t arouse autocomplete or spell check.

Seriously. For my entire life I’ve been able to look at any random porn site and know I wasn’t going to see various things : children, rape, insest, scat, etc etc.

When the fuck did incest porn become acceptable? Let alone mainstream?

There’s not even an opinion to NOT see it. (but I’m given the option to not see gay porn)

Like. I don’t care that it exists. I’m not shaming anyone for being into it but

I DON’T WANT TO SEE IT ON MY FUCKING PORN LISTS

  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Weird cluster of socially isolated weirdos who get off on the taboo and/or actually want to fuck a relative but know it would end in like the worst way imaginable if that became known.

    Basically picture an entire demographic of George Michael Bluths

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    5 months ago

    My guess is that it appeals to a sizable minority of people while at the same time not turning off the majority of people because they know it’s just actors who aren’t truly related.

    I prefer my porn not to have any story to it at all, but that doesn’t stop me from watching the stuff which hamfists a story into it. I just skip to what I want to see.

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      5 months ago

      I guess this is why Cheating/NTR porn is also so regional in terms of popularity. Because how much it turns off others fluctuates and it lingers on the border.

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          Netorare, Cuckholdery. Basically an entire branch of porn where the plot has one man watch “his” woman be taken by another man. It’s overdone in some circles and completely absent in others which makes me think there’s some degree of turnoff associated with it that is cultural.

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      I prefer my porn not to have any story to it at al

      I need at least three hours of complex plot to even get hard.

      I saw the extended Lord of the Rings in the theater. They had to replace my seat afterwards.

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        5 months ago

        To quote John Carmack: “Story in a [video] game is like story in a porn movie. It’s expected to be there, but it’s not that important.” Said the technical guy behind DOOM.

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      Yeah, I think it’s this. Scat porn, for comparison, turns off most people so having a bunch of it up on a main page is going to hurt traffic. I’m guessing there must have been some legal issue that turned all the incest porn into step incest porn, but regardless most people probably don’t care if a scene starts with someone calling the other person “step brother” or something. Some people probably actually prefer that. So the benefits outweigh the negatives for the sites.

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        I’m guessing there must have been some legal issue that turned all the incest porn into step incest porn

        I believe in some jurisdictions it’s illegal to depict nuclear incest in porn, even though it’s fictional.

        Also I would speculate that the actual fetish comes from the fact that a decent amount of people would have had a step-sibling added to their family during their adolescence, which could have influenced their fantasies and taboos. If you’re a 13 year old boy and suddenly there is a 14 year old girl living in your house that you aren’t blood-related to, it could easily lead to some weird fantasies popping into your head.

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          Not challenging just clarifying; Is your speculation extending to suggest that the larger demographic of porn consumers online are adolescents? Or more that the “step-*” joining the family set a longer term influence? (Or something else entirely…?)

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          AFAIK, it’s not the legality per se that keeps the actual incest off the provider, but that credit card companies won’t allow their cards to be used to pay for such services.

          But I’m just a regular pervert on the internet. I’m only parroting what I read online.

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            5 months ago

            I’m too afraid to google it, but I bet there’s a heavy metal band already using that name…

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    Your title talks about “step” porn but the post is about incest.

    Step-relatives are not biological relatives, so not the same as incest. And I’d guess the reason it is popular is because a lot of people have a lot of inappropriate thoughts about members of their step-family, and because there is still an element of taboo which gets some people off.

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      They use “step” as a way to say “oh no it’s totally not incest fantasy”.

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      By the amount of step porn I would estimate the number of people with step family members to be much larger than it actually is.

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    I feel like originally it was a semi-safe taboo to break that made a standard porn setup seem more forbidden/risqué. It always seemed weird, like how many people have step siblings that also fantasize about them sexually, how big could this be? But it just kept on coming, so to speak.

    Now I think it’s just a meme/SEO thing, where you have to include it even if the video is not even pretending to be about that. Also it happened around the same time that websites were pushing/pivoting into more content creator type things, and so it’s probably related to that as well. Like the annoying face+exaggerated reaction thing on YouTube…

    Either way, always seemed whacky that everything the sites serve is almost completely step-porn on the front page.

  • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    The most logical answer to this that I’ve come across is production value.

    There is a lot of porn out there, and a lot of it is not very good quality for one reason or another. Now go back a decade or more, and remember it was worse then.

    Niche fetish porn, however, was typically pretty high quality because that’s what people were paying good money for. It never started out as free.

    Because you can, if needed, just skip the talking bit to ignore the incestuous plot lines, it’s basically just straight vanilla porn, that was what people went looking for. It was the closest to vanilla you could get with the high production quality of fetish studios.

    Not understanding the why, production companies saw the spike in that specific result and started making more of it, then it started getting memed, and here we are.

    Idk if it’s true, but it makes the most sense to me, considering when it started to gain popularity.

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    Well it isn’t incest which makes it taboo only on a surface level. Beyond that, it’s a quick setup to a story for young or young-looking actors as well as an easy, built-in explanation for someone to walk in on them and get an “exposed” element to their narrative.

    Basically it’s just cheap and convenient writing. Be disgusted if you want but even within their little narrative it’s not incest so you’re getting your featers riled up over nothing.

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      5 months ago

      yeah it seems like just a VERY quick way to say “the girl is cute and young-looking, typically petite, in a house/bedroom setting”.

      you can say all that, or “step”.

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        Exactly. It’s just narrative shorthand. I’m sure there are some people getting there jollies from the narrative side but those’ll be the ones who don’t have the impulse to turn the volume down when the Brattysis intro gets to the “You’re the best big brother…” part.

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          when the Brattysis intro gets to the “You’re the best big brother…” part.

          Well, we know what **your ** favorite site/studio/whatever is. Based on the name and intro line you provided I’m guessing their whole thing is straight sibling porn where the girl is supposed to be the younger sister and kind of a pain before they fuck? That’s pretty specific, but I guess everything is someone’s kink.

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            Honestly, man, I kinda wish it was my favorite. Annoyingly, it’s just been one of those intro cards that has got stuck in my head. You’re mostly on the money though. The girl isn’t always younger but the general principle is she’s giving poor browski a hard time for the fun of it before they bang by some narrative means. You say it’s specific but if you mute it and just watch shit unfold, it’s your standard sudden dom power fantasy. Pretty basic stuff, really. Not to mention, requires extremely little scripting for the studio so favorable both writing costs and all the sieve-brained starlets not having to memorize much.

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              See, I just ignore studio altogether, skip forward enough that it’s already to the action so I tend to miss intro cards and tend to pick out particular actresses and look up other stuff with them.

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    Incest porn that was actually labeled as such was pretty common about 15 years ago. By which I mean pretend incest, the performers were not really related but were pretending to be.

    But there was some case where a woman was posting porn of herself and her son that got really well known. After that, I’m not sure whether because of some new legislation or because of just covering asses, they started calling it step-incest instead of pretending it was real.

    In my totally anecdotal experience, incest was getting pretty popular before that time, then it dropped off for a while, and is now picking up steam again. I’m even starting to see slightly more stuff that pretends to be real incest again instead of the stupid step-incest.

    It would be nice if it was easier to filter out what you don’t like though.

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    Real talk: I found myself watching step family porn because it’s really good for some reason. I don’t give a shit about the story and skip past it. I don’t have any step siblings and don’t have any familial fantasies or anything weird. I just think the women that end up starring in these look hot. I honestly don’t know why.

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      I have a theory: The camerawork/cinematography is better.

      Historically, there’s been a divide between softcore and hardcore porn. Softcore porn generally features R or NC-17 rated nudity and some simulated sex acts with a lot of effort put into the cinematography to make sure the camera never goes crotchwards. These kinda rely on a suspension of disbelief, often bolstered with more of a story focus, some are basically soap operas.

      Hardcore porn on the other hand features genuine non-simulated sex acts by definition, and the producers seem to have an attitude of “if we’re going through the trouble to have real sex in our movies, by god’s cock ring we’re going to SHOW real sex in our movies.” So the camera ends up at all kinds of stupid angles - way low looking up, titled to one side to better fit tall humans onto the wide frame, or downright gynecological close-ups that go on for minutes at a time.

      The step-sibling genre on the other hand…these usually do feature genuine sex acts, but they’re playing to a kink that…isn’t visual. The aspect that makes this not a vanilla movie is the actress occasionally remembers to say the words “I can’t believe I’m fucking my step-brother.” So that pressure to zoom way into the crotchal region seems to be relieved. The camera stays upright at eye level across the room. Close-ups are few and far between or totally absent; the actors probably do that thing where they lean to the side to “show their work” but we don’t plunge in to get a good look at the wrinkles and razor burn. So what ends up on the screen is two people having sex rather than a penis going into various holes.

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      I wonder if the whole step sibling porn only works for people without step siblings. Like when i was a horny teenager and talked to my horny teenager friends, a lot of them where only childs or had a brother and told me that having a sister would be so hot. No, it really isn’t there is less than 0 sexual tension of any shape or form in a normal brother/sister relationship.

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    5 months ago

    I’d say probably due to the divorce rates and large amount of blended families.