I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
People don’t like hearing, “Look, we just gotta suffer under capitalism for a while longer because the rich aren’t done having their fun.”
Capitalism bad. Cool cool. Totally. Now what? Or is that… it?
Idk man, give me all the shit you want. I don’t have answers, I’m just frustrated and feel like I’m dying every day but can’t afford to see a doctor so, fuck me I guess.
We’re all on the same team. I promise. I’m sorry you’re unwell. It’s just some of us want to talk about what we can DO. I don’t want to see the same goddam “capitalism bad” talking phrase on every thread. I promise you, we’ve all heard it long before we came to Lemmy. It’s time for the next chapter: what to do.
This sort of empty rhetoric is what OP is talking about.
how is that empty rhetoric? all this looks like to me is like you don’t want to acknowledge issues and prefer to push it under the rug because it makes you uncomfortable
you can’t just call things you don’t like “empty rhetoric” as if that means anything
Because it’s not intended to be persuasive. The point is to make the speaker feel good, and look good in the eyes of those that already agree. It’s fundamentally selfish, self serving, and dishonest.
Okay how do I persuade the rich to stop being rich because it’s unsustainable? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
Thank you for your submission, but we already have an excellent example.
Nah, you have someone starting a dialogue. This is my comment you’ve branched off on so, don’t handwave me away like I’m another random voice chiming in.
I said in another comment here, “People matter more than money, and without people money doesn’t matter.”
This is literally the nuance you seem to want, a dialogue exploring the topic. If you are pro-capitalism, you must hold an awful lot of capital, if you hold a lot of capital, your arguments for you holding that capital are highly biased. If you are pro-capitalism and you don’t hold a lot of capital, why are you helping them and why is it so important to you that people like me suffer?
You’re so intent on defending your underlying point that you don’t seem to realize that your underlying point is not in fact the point here. It’s your technique, or lack thereof, in making your point that is being criticized.
I asked for some feedback. You shot me down. Put up, or shut up and get your bad faith bullshit out of here.
Yes well everything you think is wrong and you should feel bad about it. We’ll never meet, but I oppose everything you’ll ever stand for, and as god as I’m witless, you’ll never succeed at anything as long as I draw breath.
But that’s not really important right now. How’s your day going? Are you drinking enough water?
No, just drinking the piss from lemmy piss posts mostly.
Edit: thanks for asking! CRANK THAT HOG, BROTHER.
Bingo
I think it’s that we’ve all been over this a million times, and we’re suffering while bickering about steps.
My conclusion: “People matter more than money, and without people money wouldn’t matter.”
If you want to get more nuanced please try. That’s about as bulletproof and simple as it gets.
Alright! You and me, we can have a nuanced discussion about the how to implement rent control or other means of combatting the housing crisis at a local level without a third person jumping on to talk about how this problem is bigger and we need to go right out to global revolution, which everyone jumps on and leaves the smaller scale discussion in the dust.
Of course I’m exaggerating a bit, but this is the general flow on Lemmy as I see it.
Yes.
But, that post has been downvoted enough that it is the lowest-ranked reply. The system is working.