Two of those articles you linked are a 2 and 4 year old that were on the farm, not really the same thing as the 27 amputation per month of actual workers. I mean step back and look at the what aboutism you are doing. Of course people are injured in produce, but that doesn’t change the fact that working in a meat packing plant is one of the most dangerous professions for humans.
Look, I’m not even here “as a vegan”, just as someone who has recently read The Jungle and is horrorifed to see the same problems from a century ago still present today. I’m not talking about animal rights, I’m talking about human worker rights in an industry where those people are constantly injured in staggering numbers.
I don’t read usernames and didn’t read yours until you mentioned it, and before that I knew you were vegan because you were using strawman in conjunction with a false dilemma and faulty generalization fallacies in order to push a ‘meat bad’ argument.
The most common argumentative fallacies used by vegans, peta, and trolls.
Underage workers dying is a… false dilemma? How is that possibly something not worth addressing?
I feel like some of you are having an emotional response from even the mildest of critism at the industry that you have to deny there is even a problem with dead children that shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. Which if you go reread my original comment, is what I originally pointed out. You are so defensive of the product that you are mad at me for even acknowledging this long standing issue.
As I said before, I’m fresh off reading The Jungle. Mt intent was to talk about worker rights instead of animal rights. So it seems right to leave this all with a passage from Sinclair.
Blaming the meat industry for underage workers dying is a false equivalency and false dilemma. You are a giant piece of shit for trying to equivocate these issues.
Edit: You added more. Look, we can do whataboutism for Chocolate and Tech, but that doesn’t change anything for this issue.
child labour AND slave labour is involved in ALL chocolate acquisition, not to mention avocado and large scale vegetable farming uses child labour daily, but I don’t hear you bitching about that
And it’s clear you haven’t actually read the paper you’re linking given that in that very investigation overview they describe the employers as the issue and not the industry as a whole.
Also, I like how you’ve just ignored all my notes about your own use of slave labour and child labour in your food and the device your using to continue bitching about the problem as well as misrepresenting the issues noted in the very paper you linked.
I’m going to chalk this up to incompetence and block you, but yes “well played” you “definitely got me”.
By the way, since it’s clear you did not read the paper:
“The safety of young workers and significant reductions in child labor violations are top priorities for the U.S. Department of Labor,” said Principal Deputy Wage and Hour Division Administrator Jessica Looman. “Employers who choose to hire young workers have a legal responsibility to know and abide by the federal laws that govern their employment. These obligations include eliminating all exposures to hazardous occupations and prohibited equipment, and preventing young workers from suffering serious injuries or worse.”
In case you can’t understand what is being said in the paper, the TL:DR is “Bad employers paying off corrupt politicians to weaken employment restrictions for young workers and the same bad employers ignoring or reducing safety training and safety equipment”.
Contrary to you, I actually do investigate the supply lines and employment conditions of just about everything I use and consume, I can’t change anything about it because it needs to be a group vote to make change, but I at least educate myself on these things.
Well, I think comparing toddler accidents on a farm to systemic hiring of underage workers is bad faith as opposed to noticing a century long trend, but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. Doesn’t seem like there is gonna be a productive ending here so, whatever. You have a good one.
There’s no point in conversing with these people, they accuse you of bad faith arguments from WORKING in the industry and rebute with arguments from VISITING the industry.
Two of those articles you linked are a 2 and 4 year old that were on the farm, not really the same thing as the 27 amputation per month of actual workers. I mean step back and look at the what aboutism you are doing. Of course people are injured in produce, but that doesn’t change the fact that working in a meat packing plant is one of the most dangerous professions for humans.
Look, I’m not even here “as a vegan”, just as someone who has recently read The Jungle and is horrorifed to see the same problems from a century ago still present today. I’m not talking about animal rights, I’m talking about human worker rights in an industry where those people are constantly injured in staggering numbers.
ROFL.
The only reason you know I’m vegan is from my username, but why would that fact somehow disqualify me from caring about workers being injured?
Idk. Sorta seems like you just wanna insult me but not actually contribute anything meaningful.
I don’t read usernames and didn’t read yours until you mentioned it, and before that I knew you were vegan because you were using strawman in conjunction with a false dilemma and faulty generalization fallacies in order to push a ‘meat bad’ argument.
The most common argumentative fallacies used by vegans, peta, and trolls.
Underage workers dying is a… false dilemma? How is that possibly something not worth addressing?
I feel like some of you are having an emotional response from even the mildest of critism at the industry that you have to deny there is even a problem with dead children that shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. Which if you go reread my original comment, is what I originally pointed out. You are so defensive of the product that you are mad at me for even acknowledging this long standing issue.
As I said before, I’m fresh off reading The Jungle. Mt intent was to talk about worker rights instead of animal rights. So it seems right to leave this all with a passage from Sinclair.
Blaming the meat industry for underage workers dying is a false equivalency and false dilemma. You are a giant piece of shit for trying to equivocate these issues.
I’m honestly amazed you can say that in this exact thread. There is a well known link between exactly those two according to the DOL. But whatever. It’s easy to just ignore it and insult me instead.
Edit: You added more. Look, we can do whataboutism for Chocolate and Tech, but that doesn’t change anything for this issue.
The thread is literally about the meat industry.
And it’s clear you haven’t actually read the paper you’re linking given that in that very investigation overview they describe the employers as the issue and not the industry as a whole.
Also, I like how you’ve just ignored all my notes about your own use of slave labour and child labour in your food and the device your using to continue bitching about the problem as well as misrepresenting the issues noted in the very paper you linked.
I’m going to chalk this up to incompetence and block you, but yes “well played” you “definitely got me”.
By the way, since it’s clear you did not read the paper:
In case you can’t understand what is being said in the paper, the TL:DR is “Bad employers paying off corrupt politicians to weaken employment restrictions for young workers and the same bad employers ignoring or reducing safety training and safety equipment”.
Contrary to you, I actually do investigate the supply lines and employment conditions of just about everything I use and consume, I can’t change anything about it because it needs to be a group vote to make change, but I at least educate myself on these things.
Again, unlike you.
Oh wtf? You keep editing in more! That whole section wasn’t there when I read your comment. I’m just trying to keep up.
Oh trust me. I didn’t even see your username. I knew you were vegan because of your insufferable bad faith comment.
Well, I think comparing toddler accidents on a farm to systemic hiring of underage workers is bad faith as opposed to noticing a century long trend, but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. Doesn’t seem like there is gonna be a productive ending here so, whatever. You have a good one.
There’s no point in conversing with these people, they accuse you of bad faith arguments from WORKING in the industry and rebute with arguments from VISITING the industry.
Smooth brains be smoothing
I honestly don’t care what you think.