Edit: new and improved image, now with 100% less support! Used my expert photo editing skills to change “supporting” to say “voting for”
Maybe it kills the trump.
Russia tried to help Trump against Biden in the last election per United States Intelligence, pretty weird you would just take a dictator’s word for it despite all the evidence to the contrary.
I mean Trump himself sided with Putin over US intelligence agencies but that doesn’t mean sane people should.
Let’s see what happens in 4 years when trump runs again if he loses (because of course he will).
hopefully he’ll be too much of a literal pants-shitting vegetable or just dead by then
Seeing as how his brain dead followers have likened him to the God Emperor of Mankind before I am not sure him being worm food (poor wormies) would stop them from voting for him.
Has something changed? I thought Trump was ahead in most states.
Not wrong
What I like most about this meme is that it implies that supporting the Biden won’t exactly lead to a good outcome for you either, but at least it’s not as immediate as getting the Trump again.
Biden is the lotion you apply to soften your skin so it can, once removed, make capitalism pretty.
Capitalism can’t be pretty, it’s more like sunscreen. Prevents your skin from dying quite as quickly, but it’ll get there eventually.
At least my tan will be even 😐🔫
That’s just voting
And remember to be rational, to remain somewhat detached from the constant stream of political narratives and spins that gets thrown your way, where the positive or neutral things get ignored because that gets no click-ad revenue, everything that gets screamed at you is a distortion of reality.
Separate the garbage and the appeal to visceral reactions.It’s easier then to see that Biden and his cabinet inherited an incredible mess, is genuinely trying to clean it up, and there are no overnight miracles when the other political party constantly engages in sabotage of the gears of democracy, while a large segment of the population remains electorally apathetic and aloof.
This constant, perpetual media and social media provocation and clickbait, makes an intellect vulnerable to “divide-and-conquer” tactics, keeps him/her apathetic and aloof, while simultaneously demoralized. And the constant stream of infotainment excrement just keeps on flowing like a river during rainy season.
I’m going to copy /u/kiniz0r’s comment from a few months ago because I think it’s extremely perceptive and accurate:
People have a fucked-up understanding of voting in the US. You are not voting for the person you agree with. You are voting for the person you’d rather negotiate with.
If you actually care beyond the aesthetics of whether you did the cool thing or not, you have to think about the function of what you’re doing and not just whether it feels good.
The bigger issue is the whole system behind voting, not the symptoms that we call our candidates.
Oh yes, well another commenter already put out the recommendation for ranked choice voting which would be a great improvement over our current first-past-the-post system.
I’m really not sure how we even start getting such a change implemented though.
I’ll have to keep that in mind. That’s very well put.
My favorite analogy is that voting is like taking the bus, just because it doesn’t drop you off in front of your house, doesn’t mean you’re better off just walk.
And also - do you want the next bus or the last bus?
A most poignant and apt critique.
I have observed that a lot of us treat the enormous good luck of democratic participation as a team sport, and it’s depressing.
Idk why people think negotiation starts after voting happens
We’re negotiating right now, this is the negotiation.
Absolutely, but the negotiation also continues after the voting happens, so it’s probably worthwhile to vote for someone who can be negotiated with.
Not If your negotiation partner is unwilling to provide concessions before you give them what they want…
No no, see the best time to negotiate is after you’ve already given someone everything they want from you. This totally isn’t a textbook recipe for being taken advantage of. /s
I’ve talked to a bunch of people who were barely of voting age in 2016 and who treated their first voting experience as an edgy popularity contest, who didn’t think about anything other than the presidential race.
Then Roe was overturned and they were like ‘Ohhh. I get it now.’ And then it was too late.
I also hear from people who are just coming into voting age saying similar things. Biden isn’t doing enough about Isreal (as if he has the power to unilaterally stop the fighting), and they seem completely unaware that Congress, not the president, controls most things. This is not (yet) a dictatorship.
But they’re planning to vote like it’s a horse race. Sorry Buttercup, but that’s not how this works. Biden is at least sane. The entire right is not. Please for the love of humanity, please don’t lock us into fascism because you think Biden is too old or whatever. I agree, we should have better candidates – nobody seems to be mentioning that trump is only 3 years younger than Biden, which at their age is nothing – the fact is these are the two we will be choosing from. There is no third option in this system, and no amount of protest votes will change that. It’s just a fact.
I would vote for Biden’s corpse before trump and the fascism he openly calls for. If you wouldn’t, you need to learn more about this system and processes before casting your vote. It shouldn’t even be a question.
That’s the nice thing about the two political party system: Who else are you going to vote for? Abstain or third party? You’d run the risk of having democracy end, when the other party wins, and getting thrown into a camp for your “Unamerican” beliefs.
You understand the president you vote for is only part of this right? We could elect Bernie and we still wouldn’t have healthcare in 4 years without a blue congress.
What is Biden supposed to have done in the last 4 years about healthcare on his own? The changes on requirements for prior authorizations is a big help for many but things like that are about as much as he can do without Congress.
You understand the president you vote for is only part of this right?
I’ll point you to Henry Cuellar down in the Texas Valley. He’s one of the most consistently right-wing Democrats in the House, he’s in a Safe Dem seat and has been since the district was packed with Dem voters during the 2006 Tom DeLay lead redistricting ratfuck, and every time a progressive primary opponent sticks a head up he gets millions of dollars in party to support to bail him out.
This is the fundamental struggle with “You just have to support Biden and then figure shit out downstream”. Guys like Biden and Clinton and even Kerry and Gore have created this perpetual undercurrent of conservativism in the party, such that every election becomes a “Bad Democrat v Worse Republican” all up and down the ballot election after election after election.
And because they can command these enormous sums of money and vast media influence campaigns from their position as leaders of the party, we keep getting these turds jammed up in our plumbing for decades - Manchins and Sinemas and Feinsteins and Gillibrands - who actively undermine everything in the official party platform with their concern trolling.
Even if Biden wins, another four years of a glorified insurance lobbyist who gave Strom Thurmond’s fucking eulogy is not going to benefit anyone young, colored, or queer who still cling to faith in the party. He and his team are going to keep putting up these turds like Merrick Garland and Anthony Blinken in the bureaucracy and backing a team of mummies for the next Congressional election and doing everything they can to kneecap anyone under 40 with the gall to challenge someone in a primary.
I’d fuck me?
Downvote me if you, but I still don’t understand what was so terrible about Trump. No new wars, cheap gas, cheap groceries, good economy, literally the worst thing I can recall from those years was reading in the news every day trying to explain why Trump was literally the worst thing that had ever happened to America.
Until 2020 happened, that is; but even if he admittedly didn’t do a great job at handling COVID or the George Floyd protests, I’m not sure Hillary would have done any better, or could have avoided them entirely.
Now everything is expensive as hell, everyone is depressed and angry all the time, but at least the news are mostly saying Biden is doing a great job, things are fine and everything is under control. It’s as if cognitive dissonance has become the new normal.
I think roe v. wade was a pretty high profile one that probably wouldn’t have happened without him, no?
Sure, but what’s the big deal about that? It didn’t get rid of abortion or anything, it just made it a states’ rights issue again.
Yes, some conservative states moved to criminalize it immediately but there’s always going to be states like NY or CA where it’ll remain legal if you really need it. It’s not like people need access to abortions every day of their lives, and even when they do, they generally have a window of time that’s weeks if not months long, so not being able to do it in your home state is an inconvenience at best. Nevertheless, people reacted like it was about three 9/11s all happening at once. A bit overblown if you ask me, when a plane ticket to California is maybe a couple hundred bucks most of the year.
Sure, but what’s the big deal about that? It didn’t get rid of abortion or anything, it just made it a states’ rights issue again.
I will take other states’ rights issues, for 500, alex, which is not a good look. I also must note that we’ve moved from, in what way was trump bad, to, okay, well, he’s done this bad thing, but it was overblown, which I would also say, probably not, no. I dunno, really, but probably not, it seems pretty bad.
Not everyone can afford a couple hundred dollar plane ticket to california, including teenagers, and both populations are those that I would think would be most at risk for pregnancy, and at risk for medical complications as a result of pregnancies. Also pretty likely populations to want to take abortions into their own hands, which, you know, not something associated with good medical outcomes. We’ve also got some amount of public health problems related to the overjudicious ban of abortion, leading to doctors not wanting to abort kids that are putting the mother at high risk, from what I’ve heard, which seems like a pretty bad situation. I also think there’s a good argument that, even if it’s not problematic at like, the scales it is purported to be, or if we’re not being like “oh well it sets a bad precedent” slippery slope bullshit, I’d say it’s still pretty bad just on the principle of the thing.
The supreme court appointment that lead up to it is also kind of bad, and could potentially have a bunch of different pretty bad ramifications, but I can’t really remember whether or not anything else bad has happened, or is about to, cause I don’t keep up with this shit that much. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re gonna fuck up some school privatization thing, or repeal some foundational internet bill, or do some shit that nobody’s really paying attention to or cares about but would have a good amount of impact. I don’t think they’re doing that right now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that were to happen. You better not hit me with a “well they shouldn’t have had sex then” or something stupid like that in response to this, that shit’s a pretty easy bad faith tell.
And I mean like, sure, most of the libtards who kind of spout “oh the republicans want to ban abortions so they can have a bunch of new mindless worker drones from forced births” are living in fairyland, and are kind of doing a classic reverse hanlon’s razor bit, but I would pretty easily discard that out of hand on the basis that it’s fucking ridiculous propaganda, it’s like listening to republicans screech about the death of family values, it’s vacuous political fearmongering bullshit. I dunno enough about the other issues people accuse trump of, right, not enough to have a conversation about them, really, but if they’re kind of matched in their relative amounts of shittiness to this, I would kind of get it. Maybe not the content of like, calling him a fat dumb cheeto, or whatever these kinds of stupid insults are, right, but I would get the spirit of the thing, even if I don’t agree with their like, extrapolations, or reactions.
Also if I’m remembering from your other responses in the thread (fuck taking 5 seconds to check, amirite?), you didn’t really care about his purported tax cuts on the rich as much, which I would think would put you in like, the center a little more. Then, you know, no shit that you’re going to like trump at least a little more, or, not see as much of a problem with him, as people who are more to the left than you are, I would think, and at that point, it’s kind of like, asking people why trump is so bad, is asking people to maybe change your more foundational political beliefs. Which I would say, isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but I think there might be some better approaches to that.
I don’t know of any on lemmy, but some might exist, and reddit sucks for that kinda stuff pretty hard nowadays, so I don’t really know many places online that are good for actually interrogating your political beliefs. Generally though, I would say it would be more productive to go foundational issue to foundational issue (not wedge issues), rather than asking questions about like, whether or not trump is good. So like, asking about the role of power in politics, whether or not it has a role. Whether or not humans, as a species, are naturally hierarchical, and if that’s a good thing. What the economy should look like, ideally, shit like that.
Not sure where that’s going exactly but I don’t really have a problem with states rights. I thought diversity is good thing, no? The more things are regulated on a federal level, the more uniform the country becomes. And I thought people here hated fascism… but I digress.
Yes, there has got to be a certain minimum standard of things we all agree on for a federal union to work, but apart from that, I’m all for giving states as much freedom as possible to experiment with their own regulations. Let’s be honest, nobody really knows what the best way is to deal with all these issues we have.
So if California wants to tackle the future by building a high tech, EV-based, genderfluid LGBT society, why shouldn’t they? As long as people who don’t like that have the option to go to some other state and homestead on an organic backwoods farm, hunt deer, and worship Odin or whatever, that’s fine with me. Isn’t that what freedom is supposed to be about? Why do so many people these days have this weird notion that it has to be all or nothing, and everyone else has to want what THEY want or else be forced to participate?
Why do so many people these days have this weird notion that it has to be all or nothing, and everyone else has to want what THEY want or else be forced to participate?
Simply put, most people who believe in any sort of moral code, believe in such a code because they think they are correct. If they didn’t think they were correct, they wouldn’t believe it. This includes whatever people might be able to entertain about what would be correct in a given hypothetical scenario, or a broader issue. Extrapolation to the broad.
The reason “states rights” is kind of an iffy look is, you know, retroactive slavery justification from southern civil war apologists, but also, as a rhetorical tactic broadly, people bring up states’ rights as a kind of distraction. Now, we’re not talking about roe v. wade, whether or not roe v. wade was a good decision, or whether or not it’s good for women to have access to healthcare, which, you know, it is, right, I don’t think that’s particularly controversial. Now, we’re talking about states’ rights, experimentation with democracy, that sorta shit, which is kind of blech.
I would also generally be opposed to other people’s freedoms when they start doing harm, right, which is kind of a vacuous statement or whatever, right, how do we qualify harm? But if someone’s doing an organic backwoods farm where they’re introducing invasive species and destabilizing the ecosystem, that’s a problem. If people are sacrificing their firstborn to odin, I’d say that’s also a problem. If people are entering that kind of lifestyle en masse to such a degree that it starts to destabilize everyone else’s lives, or cause them active harm, that’s also a problem. See my first paragraph, here.
We can also see how there’s kind of a more complicated relationship between states in something like the whole controversy between new york and texas, and immigrant buses, or whatever. New york wants to create a kind of liberal society, where their citizens have social safety nets, and they can benefit off of migrant labor while attempting to integrate them into society, right, relative to texas, in which migrant labor is exploited via under the table deals, on the basis that there is no legitimate alternative because the immigration system is super underfunded (this happens in new york too, this is a bad example, but entertain the hypothetical for a moment, I’m making a broader point here). If new york receives a shit ton of immigrants and floods their capacity to manage them all, their social safety nets will fail, and everything will kind of regress to the mean, to the status quo, which is going to be a problem especially when you’re getting a lack of political will and buy-in to lots of these ideas, and these things can be kind of repealed on a whim. We see the same thing almost in reverse, again, with texas, where they can lower their taxes on corporations to be next to nothing, and then suddenly all the corporations pull out of cities like san francisco and LA, and move to texas, and everything just kind of, races to the bottom, as it were. States do this all the time, where senators compete to be more favorably looked upon by corporations with their political decisions in order to get factories and “bring jobs” to their states, and get more voter turnout, even if the quality of life in their states ends up massively suffering as a result. It is a free market approach to a country.
To compress a lot of that metaphor, states’ rights, sure, but, states’ rights to do what? But I have completely digressed, I still find this to be kind of an aside, a tangent.
It’s a frustrating turnaround to encounter, ja feel? I come up against it a lot when I bring up, say, like, car-centricity, right. I can point out a lot of the problems with the lifestyle. It doesn’t scale well, it’s not useful in many circumstances, etc, but then I bump up against this problem of, well, actually, it’s their choice, so, eat it loser, nobody cares. They don’t contest the actual content of the point I’m making, or whether or not I’m right or wrong about a specific thing, they just say, oh, well, other people can choose to be wrong if they want. I can accept that, but you can understand why that’s also not a satisfying answer at all, right? It’s an anti-empathy answer, it’s incurious, it doesn’t seek to learn about other people’s perspectives or lives in any way, and it doesn’t seek truth. That’s kind of not what I’m about.
Just from a legal standpoint, Roe v. Wade was always iffy because it was basically the Supreme Court making a law from the bench, which is not its constitutionally assigned role.
If people had wanted to make abortion access a National law, they should have gone through the proper political process and amended the constitution. But they didn’t do that, because they couldn’t get the required majorities in the house and senate, so instead Democrats stacked the court and rammed it through that way.
No matter how you feel about abortion, it was always a bad decision and a stain on the country, and nullifying was the correct decision. Comparing it to slavery is silly because pregnancy and childbirth are natural functions of the female body, slavery is not. And we did pass an amendment to abolish the latter so states’ rights can no longer allow it.
That’s how things are supposed to work. The condition is the legal framework that’s applicable in all 50 states and trumps any state right, and as long as a state abides by that they should be free to do whatever the majority of residents want. Like I said, the beauty of this design is you can always move somewhere else if you don’t like it, because chances are, in a country this big there’s always people somewhere that share the same values as you do.
I mean, again, we can kind of understand that “just move somewhere else” isn’t a great response to issues somewhat might have, right?
But also, and this will probably be my last point, here, I don’t take the same perspective on these kind of legalistic frameworks that you do, I think. I don’t give a shit if they go through the proper channels or not to get something done, what I care about is whether or not they’re doing something that’s right or wrong. I think abortion is a pretty good thing to have for a lot of reasons that I’ve previously described, so I want it around, I want everyone to have access to their baby-killing stem cell organ harvesting clinic, and that’s basically as far as my opinion goes.
The legal frameworks are the means to the end, they’re not the end in-and-of itself. And it’s not necessarily that the ends justify the means, or anything, but I have a couple reasons for believing why the means don’t really matter in this particular case. Believing that the means themselves are the ends, would kind of be the most absurd perspective to take, you’d have to be an extremely dyed in the wool lib to believe that, you know. You’d have to like, not believe in shit like gerrymandering, fptp voting being fucking ass, not believe in shit like local city councils making zoning decisions that concentrate black voters into smaller and smaller voting blocks and ghettos. Those are all ends that are achieved by “legitimate” political processes here in the states, and were undone by “illegitimate” protests, illegitimate means. Or at least, they were viewed as illegitimate at the time. If everyone who believes in the same shit all move to the same exact place, you get redlining, you get ghettos.
Again, also, I must point out, we’re not debating over whether or not abortion is good or bad, we’re debating over the legal framework that established it, now, which isn’t really what I’m interested in. I don’t really give a shit about that, for the aforementioned reasons. If abortion is a good thing, generally, if it’s a good thing for society at large, which, I’m pretty sure is the case, I’m pretty sure we’ve come to a consensus on that, then I don’t really care whether or not people have access to abortions legally or illegally, as long as they have good access, as long as they have safe access. I only care about the legal legitimacy, in this case, of abortion, only in the fact that, perhaps if it had been passed by amending the constitution, some shit that never happens because our democracy sucks, again for aforementioned reasons, right, I only care about the process as much as it enshrines it as a right more concretely.
But of course, we don’t live in that timeline, and I have to deal with current reality.
>Downvote me if you, but I still don’t understand what was so terrible about Trump. No new wars, cheap gas, cheap groceries, good economy, literally the worst thing I can recall from those years was reading in the news every day trying to explain why Trump was literally the worst thing that had ever happened to America.
since the mid 2010s fascism has been marching across the world. golden dawn (the grecian fascists) had even set up a remote office in chicago. le pen almost won in france. AfD won seats in germany. and in america, protectionist, anti-immigrant rhetoric made our neo-nazis think that trump is their guy. literally. they called him “our guy”.
the traditionalist workers party marched in california, and knifed the high schoolers who showed up to resist them. people knew richard spencer’s name. they embraced the “deplorable” moniker. and their guy was getting more news coverage than practically all other “news” events combined. there seemed to be no repercussions for the street violence from the right.
trump’s xenophobia made many believe he was literally hitler. his first moves in office, like the muslim travel ban, only heightened this sense. the orwellian phrases “fake news” and “alternative facts” also served to compound the sense that things were very wrong.
but in the 3 years that followed, i have to admit that his rhetoric sucked but his actual actions in office were pretty benign. his judicial appointments were fucking dystopian, but not unexpected for any other republican like cruz or rubio. his executive appointments (like department of education) were likewise awful-but-expected.
i still won’t vote for him. but i didn’t vote for biden, and i won’t be doing that this year either unless there are some significant moves from biden that i don’t believe are reasonable to expect.
they called him “our guy”.
to be fair, those chucklefucks also do this to ryan gosling, but I like ryan gosling. point, i suppose, is that believing the opposite of fascists is probably a good heuristic, but it isn’t really a great like, reliable fact. see: the milk gallon psyop, or the OK symbol psyop.
I’m not from the US, but in general, government policy takes a few years to affect the economy. I remember Trump cutting a lot of taxes; this may have something to do with the current state of the US economy.
That said, I agree that Trump did get some things right, such as not starting new wars (although he often threatened to), working to end the war with Afghanistan, and opposing ‘free trade’ deals.
If you don’t mind lots of new corruption in the federal government, maybe Trump seemed ok. But here you go:
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-atrocities-1-1-056#2017
I’m not sure Hillary would have done any better
I think if Hilary was President, we’d have had a serious conversation about policing reform.
Now everything is expensive as hell
This is mainly due to the Fed under Trump printing a shit ton of new money. Remember all the “money printer go brr” memes? And remember how everyone said it would cause huge inflation? Yeah it just took a minute to kick in.
I think if Hilary was President, we’d have had a serious conversation about policing reform.
Perhaps, but would it have been done in time to prevent George Floyd’s death? Look at how Trump’s border wall worked out despite all the effort he put towards it.
And COVID would likely still have happened unless you’re willing to go so deep into the conspiracy rabbit hole to be willing to say that Democrats released in on purpose to get rid of Trump. Would she have done a better job at handling that? More people died on Biden’s watch than on Trump’s, even if it was only due to the fact he had to deal with it longer.
Perhaps, but would it have been done in time to prevent George Floyd’s death? Look at how Trump’s border wall worked out despite all the effort he put towards it.
No, but I don’t think that’s the bar.
George Floyd gets murdered, people get mad, people protest; the Trump response was “lol lib cities suck, thin blue line kiddos”. With Hilary maybe we could’ve talked about police resourcing, effective disciplinary actions, malpractice, etc. and got something done. Instead we got a gray flag with a blue stripe. And more polarization.
Not sure how the Trump wall is relevant.
Would she have done a better job at handling that?
Perhaps not, but at the very least she wouldn’t have been pushing conspiracy theories on a national stage. I like to imagine she would’ve helped small businesses more, but the mainstream Dems won’t bite the corpo hand that feeds them either, so /shrug.
More people died on Biden’s watch than on Trump’s, even if it was only due to the fact he had to deal with it longer.
You included your own rebuttal so I don’t know what point you are trying to make.
Inflation wasn’t caused by “printing money”, or even COVID PPP loans being unpaid. It was mainly caused by businesses realizing they controlled many aspects of people’s lives.
When people were paying $50 for some toilet paper, most daily essentials companies realized that people were willing to pay more than they expected. There are very few tp companies and not many Americans install a bidet.
Americans mostly got raises during COVID and that allowed many companies to raise prices. You always have to eat, clean your house, wash your clothes, go to the bathroom, etc. This is just the consequence of a lack of competition among companies in the US (and other countries).
I agree with you that that is a large factor, and certainly a problem, but inflation has always been very strongly correlated with the money supply; you can’t just simply ignore the “printing money” aspect of it.
No, money supply is not strongly correlated with inflation. Right now M2 is shrinking while inflation is still positive. That wouldn’t happen if they were strongly positively correlated.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL#
Here’s better explanations:
Rising commodity prices and supply chain disruptions were the principal triggers of the recent burst of inflation. But, as these factors have faded, tight labor markets and wage pressures are becoming the main drivers of the lower, but still elevated, rate of price increase.
https://www.nber.org/digest/20239/unpacking-causes-pandemic-era-inflation-us
Meaning “people have more money, so producers increased prices”.
Right now M2 is shrinking while inflation is still positive. That wouldn’t happen if they were strongly positively correlated.
We already see that there is a time lag effect, so does that actually matter?
Anyway, this disagrees with the paper you linked:
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042015/how-does-money-supply-affect-inflation.asp
It’s also curious (from reading the abstract) that the paper you linked didn’t seem to include money supply in their model? Was that deliberate?
But I’m also just generally skeptical of anything that tries to blame labor or wages for inflation.
Yet another disingenuous, “just asking questions,” huh? “Oh no the news is out to get him when he did nothing wrong!”
Everything is as expensive as hell because Donald and the GQP have given out trillions in handouts to the wealthy, given out three years of tax cuts to the wealthy, blocked all attempts at fair wages, blocked all attempts at affordable healthcare, blocked all attempts at taxing corporations. Somehow we have both high price inflation and record profits for every corporation. That’s not adding up. It’s only Biden’s fault if you’re deliberately ignoring reality.
Of course we should also consider Donald is a lifelong crook and a rapist who is corrupt as fuck. Biden won’t sell state secrets to Russia and the Saudis like Donald did.
Yet another disingenuous, “just asking questions,” huh? “Oh no the news is out to get him when he did nothing wrong!”
“Right off the bat, let me accuse you of something I have no proof for, just to frame this as an honest and fair debate.”
Everything is as expensive as hell because Donald and the GQP have given out trillions in handouts to the wealthy, given out three years of tax cuts to the wealthy, blocked all attempts at fair wages, blocked all attempts at affordable healthcare, blocked all attempts at taxing corporations.
That doesn’t make any sense, why would any of those things make consumer prices more expensive?
Wages DID rise under Biden but they’re barely keeping up with inflation so for the average worker, things are no better now than they were under Trump, or am I wrong there?
Somehow we have both high price inflation and record profits for every corporation. That’s not adding up. It’s only Biden’s fault if you’re deliberately ignoring reality.
Okay so how is that Trump’s fault though? Did the handouts he gave help keep prices low and now that Biden isn’t giving any, they’re trying to make their profit by raising prices instead? Explain.
Of course we should also consider Donald is a lifelong crook and a rapist who is corrupt as fuck. Biden won’t sell state secrets to Russia and the Saudis like Donald did.
And Biden isn’t? Did he not have a lifelong friendship with a KKK grand wizard? Did he not say he didn’t want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle? Did he not sponsor the 1994 crime bill that put millions of black people in jail for minor offenses? Is his son not a drug addict who films himself banging underage Chinese hookers and then leaves the footage on laptop he forgets to pick up from the repair guy?
LOL “no proof” of the deliberate dishonesty disguised as questioning. Thank you for ending the comment with some classic insane right talking points so that we know you’re utterly disinterested in the truth.
Which of the things I’ve said about Biden were wrong? They’ve all been reported by the mainstream media at this point. Dismissing them as “insane talking points” only proves that YOU aren’t really interested in the truth.
I’m gonna put it in a bulleted list so it’s easier for you to understand:
- Trump is racist
- Trump is a rapist
- Trump is a serial sexual abuser
- Trump was Putin’s lapdog
- Trump stacked the courts, making it possible for them to take away basic rights we’ve held for decades
- Trump normalized bigotry to the point where people of basically all minorities are worse off as long as he’s popular
- Trump tried to organize a fucking violent coup to falsify an election and keep himself in power
- Trump was impeached
- Trump immediately appointed his unqualified children to high positions of power
- Trump tried to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland, after Puerto Rico was devastated by a hurricane
- Trump withdrew from the Paris Accord, and generally reversed lots of efforts on slowing climate change
- Trump appointed a “birth control skeptic”, anti-abortion advocate, and abstinence-only believer to the head of the family planning board
- Trump nominated a climate change skeptic to chair the White House’s climate advisory board
- Trump cut corporate taxes to their lowest level in decades
- Trump oversaw the longest government shutdown in history
- Trump allowed border facilities that separated children from parents and kept people in cages
- Trump had BLM protesters gassed so he could take a photo with an upside-down Bible
- Trump has been charged with several crimes since leaving office, most of which are still in ongoing legal proceedings
- Trump stole highly classified documents from the white house and stored them in boxes at his residence, and evidence suggests those documents have since made their way into foreign adversaries’ hands
Now everything is expensive as hell
Because of Trump’s piss-poor handling of Covid and four years of corporate welfare
everyone is depressed and angry all the time
Because the orange man and his supporters are still threatening our democracy daily
At least half of these are just made up nonsense straight from those bogus headlines I was talking about.
The other half are exaggerated and blown out of proportion to make them seem worse than what actually happened.
Because of Trump’s piss-poor handling of Covid and four years of corporate welfare
I’ve seen this argument from another poster as well but it still doesn’t make any sense to me.
If Trump’s corporate welfare was responsible for keeping prices low while he was in office, and Biden ending it caused them to raise prices to make profit another way, then wasn’t it actually good for the ordinary customer? How exactly does Biden sticking it to them help you if you end up paying for it every day at the checkout register? Sounds like sticking a knife in your own flesh to own the rich.
Because the orange man and his supporters are still threatening our democracy daily
By living rent free in your head, mostly.
Trump supporters like those things, they just don’t want to say it publicly. Just ask them “what do you think of (any minority group)?” and watch them squirm.
Are you asking me to be happy about voting for him or to just vote for him? I’ll vote for him regardless of the R option, especially if it’s Trump, but I’m sick of people acting like I’m endorsing Trump or endorsing abstaining if I say anything critical of Biden.
If you’ve seen Silence of the Lambs, then this meme reads more like you’re screwed either way, it’s just that the punishment (getting the Trump again) for noncompliance is more immediate
I know where the meme is from, but I get push back from old democrats if I utter any form of criticism of Biden.
Obviously the only solution is to vote Trump out of spite!
Cut to Buffalo Bill (GOP) wearing the DNCs skin
If there were some kind of guarantee that the DNC collapsed on a Trump victory…
Can’t have a DNC if we never have another election.
Like not having elections anymore?
I thought they were talking death camps but yeah, what you said.
If we look at history though… a Trump win would put the DNC in the head lights of an authoritarian government. Let’s be real here, people on the capitol have nothing to fear. They might make an example of some high profiles but the rest will deal to sell the country down the shitter.
See you all at the end of the world I guess. Life under Biden would have been meh and I guess that’s worth dying for.
Obviously the only solution is to vote Trump out of spite!
Not voting is a vote for Trump.
Voting third party is no better than not voting.
Also, we need you to
Like, Subscribe, and ShareDonate, Blockwalk, and GOTV or you’re not really committed! And if Biden loses? It’s somehow still your fault for being insufficiently zealous.only one party gave us trump
That submissive defeatist mindset lol. “You have to vote for my guy because the other guy is worst, you have no choice.”. What if I tell you that’s the whole plan? And what about the millions people who politics doesn’t align with the liberals? Does their voice not matter?
How can you pretend living in a democracy lol we’re not perfect but at least we have proportional representation.
we’re not perfect but at least we have proportional representation.
One State Two Votes
We don’t get to vote for better in the US. We get to vote for “less worse” or “more worse.” But not “better.”
Better takes ages. Massive organizing. And probably some violence on someone’s part. But you don’t get to vote for “better” in this country.
As evidence: We’re the only country that needed a war to decide that slavery was wrong.
Uh. Pretty sure that’s not even close to true.
Okay, Haiti, too. But I don’t really count that because it was a slave revolt.
But most of Europe just passed a law saying it was illegal.
Most of Europe didn’t have any significant amount of slavery to ban. Even then, there was considerable resistance - France abolished slavery during the French Revolution (a time of civil war, if you will remember), then reimplemented it, then abolished it again. Most of Latin America abolished slavery only with wars of independence; many of them not even then, having civil wars of their own during which the issue was resolved. Brazil had a coup over abolishing slavery, much of Africa and the Middle East retained the institution until stripped of independence (via war) during the colonial era… the list goes on.
Wars over slavery are presented any time there is a powerful slave-holding elite in a post-Enlightenment society.
While Europe just reformed and compensated the slavers with money, at least we fought a bloody war to end the slavery menace, bringing the emancipation cause to the forefront of the world. Albeit Reconstruction was sadly misused but at least some good was done for the world.
Didn’t European countries invade several African kingdoms and tribes and brought emancipation to their slaves?
This is the most bullshit comment I’ve read in this thread
Goddamn if this ain’t the truest thing I’ve read in weeks. Just an addendum, slavery has never gone away. It built the foundation of this country and continues to be the reliable and cheaply paid engine that drives it. Slavery exists, it just has been frosted in corpo speak and glitter to fool the masses.
Where do you believe slavery still exists in the US? Can you give an example of humans being owned by an individual or company and forced to work for no wages in 2024?
Sure: in prisons that are disproportionately filled with minorities, as is explicitly allowed in the amendment.
I can see that, prisons are a good example.
Chattel slavery ended, which is where people literally owned other people as their deeded property. There are other forms of slavery though, like the other commenter mentioned with involuntary labor in prisons. Wage slavery is also a thing.
And voting in LOCAL elections, which way, way too many people ignore as not important. We can actually have “better” in a lot of those elections, if people would pay attention. People started paying a lot more attention where I live after a council member skipped 3 straight months of meetings but still had time to go to campaign events, and we realized that there were serious issues with several council members who all voted for conservative bs in lockstep. We managed to flip enough seats that it’s now a 5-4 Democrat majority so the mayor can’t just force through her pro-oil & gas nonsense at every turn, and the new members actually give a shit about the community.
My dad is a local official and he couldn’t stop some giant, ugly, car-brained development from going in. He could only vote for the least bad one. Which is still terrible.
So, no, I don’t think even local elections get us “better.” But “less worse” is still worth voting for because it honestly doesn’t take that much time.
They do though? It would be much easier to mobilize on a smaller scale and build up. ike I’m sorry that happened to you but some places are getting better. A few areas have ranked choice which I think is a step forward. Do don’t gone up hope and keep trying to make things better
It hurts because it’s true.
God, what a glorious way to tell that truth! I really hate being in this position but there seems to only be one safe way out.
If the DNC could stop shooting themselves in the foot and blaming everyone but themselves, theyd be unstoppable.
Maybe it’s my demand avoidance. But that just makes me want to say fuck you all, good luck.
See, instead of not voting, instead of, not doing something, that spite is the kind of shit which just drives me to do something productive, or, at least, it’s better channeled that way, I think. I would vote if this was the ballot and this was the ballot box, insert image of molotov and government building, sort of thing.
Sometimes you gotta go one step back to go two steps forward. If we fail to move forward afterwards, maybe we deserve what we get.
Pretty cool how thinking like this is what led to the fall of abortion right. Cool cool cool. Very neat.
A clearly senile old fuck, or one where its questionable.
Can we please try younger? Just…young enough where its not a legitimate fear their mental state will start declining rapidly any day?
Can we please try younger?
DNC says “no”
DNC says we know he’s going to die mid term, you’re going to get kamala, someone nobody voted for.
